(18-Nov-2016, 09:43)Vivialet Wrote: [ -> ]I tried most of the RC software: Dirac, Acourate, parametric EQ's in jRiver. All of them help to solve room problems, but all of them also degrade the SQ. Dirac the most, Acourate is better but not perfect. The only room correction software that seems to work without any negative impact is the RoomEQ from Mathaudio (free for foobar). SAM is also slightly degrading SQ but can help a lot on some speakers.
On my Giya G2 it is not used anymore since I have the pro.
The best option is to use passive room correction if possible. And I think if the SQ with the Devialet is bad there are other problems like LS/room mismatch, cabling, source. Solving such problems with an active correction system is not a good idea imho...
A lot to say about this as I disagree... But another thread
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Regards
(18-Nov-2016, 13:27)yabaVR Wrote: [ -> ][... Wrote:pid='52880' dateline='1479471531']
@Guillaume
Can you then move this to a new thread. I don't know how to do this.
Thanks, gui
(18-Nov-2016, 18:02)Inox Wrote: [ -> ] (18-Nov-2016, 09:43)Vivialet Wrote: [ -> ]I tried most of the RC software: Dirac, Acourate, parametric EQ's in jRiver. All of them help to solve room problems, but all of them also degrade the SQ. Dirac the most, Acourate is better but not perfect. The only room correction software that seems to work without any negative impact is the RoomEQ from Mathaudio (free for foobar). SAM is also slightly degrading SQ but can help a lot on some speakers.
On my Giya G2 it is not used anymore since I have the pro.
The best option is to use passive room correction if possible. And I think if the SQ with the Devialet is bad there are other problems like LS/room mismatch, cabling, source. Solving such problems with an active correction system is not a good idea imho...
A lot to say about this as I disagree... But another thread !
Regards
+1 for an other thread and a lot to debate.
Jean-Marie
(18-Nov-2016, 13:18)GuillaumeB Wrote: [ -> ]Arcam: can we get more precise details of some of these recordings so that we can try them out and give you feedback?
Now that I've gone all digital, the CDs are all packed in the attic and I cannot easily give you a CD reference number. Here are Amazon pointers though:
If you PM me, I can probably send you some tracks.
(17-Nov-2016, 10:11)yabaVR Wrote: [ -> ] (16-Nov-2016, 23:55)arcam Wrote: [ -> ]What I don't quite understand is why SAM (seems to have) made such a difference in sound quality, making it more analog, less digital. Signal crosstalk that amplified the digital artefacts?
To be more clear. If SAM helps you to get a more analogue sound, perfect. But have in mind the losses or better try the above test (SAM on/off) if there are any for you.
Thanks for the detail post @
yabaVR. At the risk of disgressing, shall I say that I flabbergastedly discovered that my D's power socket was connected to a Devolo powerline adapter, remnant of a previous setup ? I immediately unplugged the Devolo and... suddenly the sound had become a little more precise.
I now need to try with SAM off.
But, where this post is not off topic, is why SAM would make Milstein's violon suddently less digital, especially since there is little bass.
(21-Nov-2016, 19:58)arcam Wrote: [ -> ] (17-Nov-2016, 10:11)yabaVR Wrote: [ -> ] (16-Nov-2016, 23:55)arcam Wrote: [ -> ]What I don't quite understand is why SAM (seems to have) made such a difference in sound quality, making it more analog, less digital. Signal crosstalk that amplified the digital artefacts?
To be more clear. If SAM helps you to get a more analogue sound, perfect. But have in mind the losses or better try the above test (SAM on/off) if there are any for you.
Thanks for the detail post @yabaVR. At the risk of disgressing, shall I say that I flabbergastedly discovered that my D's power socket was connected to a Devolo powerline adapter, remnant of a previous setup ? I immediately unplugged the Devolo and... suddenly the sound had become a little more precise.
I now need to try with SAM off.
But, where this post is not off topic, is why SAM would make Milstein's violon suddently less digital, especially since there is little bass.
You've got it.
At least one cause of poor sound. This powerline adapters produce a horrible amount of trash on the powerline. If you use some others in your house, I know it's uncomfortable, please try and pull them ALL out of the powersockets and listen again to your D. These poweradapters might be the main cause to your 'digital' sound no matter where they are pluged into the powerline. They are all connected when layed on the same phase (hence functioning
). Even if you got a poweradapter pluged in upstairs, it is still on the same powerline and polluting your Devialet with digital trash.
That was my point with the pics. If you post some of your system we can more easily see the flaws in it and help you out of your 'digital disaster'
.
gui
(22-Nov-2016, 12:24)yabaVR Wrote: [ -> ] (21-Nov-2016, 19:58)arcam Wrote: [ -> ] (17-Nov-2016, 10:11)yabaVR Wrote: [ -> ]To be more clear. If SAM helps you to get a more analogue sound, perfect. But have in mind the losses or better try the above test (SAM on/off) if there are any for you.
Thanks for the detail post @yabaVR. At the risk of disgressing, shall I say that I flabbergastedly discovered that my D's power socket was connected to a Devolo powerline adapter, remnant of a previous setup ? I immediately unplugged the Devolo and... suddenly the sound had become a little more precise.
I now need to try with SAM off.
But, where this post is not off topic, is why SAM would make Milstein's violon suddently less digital, especially since there is little bass.
You've got it.
At least one cause of poor sound. This powerline adapters produce a horrible amount of trash on the powerline. If you use some others in your house, I know it's uncomfortable, please try and pull them ALL out of the powersockets and listen again to your D. These poweradapters might be the main cause to your 'digital' sound no matter where they are pluged into the powerline. They are all connected when layed on the same phase (hence functioning ). Even if you got a poweradapter pluged in upstairs, it is still on the same powerline and polluting your Devialet with digital trash.
That was my point with the pics. If you post some of your system we can more easily see the flaws in it and help you out of your 'digital disaster' .
gui
But isn't the Devialet "Digital trash" anyway?
(22-Nov-2016, 14:17)GuillaumeB Wrote: [ -> ]Classical music anyone? 
Guillaume
Hey Guillaume, got it (even the first time)!
But his own words post #1:
"Of course, ... I am not talking about recording studio acoustics or primitive recording technology or deteriorated tapes, but about decoding artifacts.
When it works, my Devialet feels like a perfect analog amp. But when I fed it with one of these recordings, it feels like a mumbo-jumbo of digital artifacts. Or a bad, pixelated digital amp.
Has anyone not see this as well? I am on 10.0.5."
He recognizes these digital artifacts with old Classical music but for me this is not the cause of the problem (it could be every bad recording). Even his old classical recordings will sound good enough to enjoy them, when his system is set up right...or am I wrong here? It's a technical problem with bad recordings jointly with his system-chain.
gui
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