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RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - Johnnydev - 10-Jan-2016 (10-Jan-2016, 03:03)LEPPAL Wrote:(09-Jan-2016, 23:04)Johnnydev Wrote: I can't understand this. Why do you want to use a NODE2 or even a sonos??? It sounds the best on the way devialet has designed it I have also used a sonos to the dialog in the beginning, but without it sounds better RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - MrSinister - 10-Jan-2016 My node is for my wife. She hates the way spark works and just wants to listen to some radio or music for the little one. And control it on the device and not having to look for her ipad, unlock it, start spark etc...i.e. when the phone rings. This is what the node does for her. When I listen I use spark. RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - Gremlin - 10-Jan-2016 (10-Jan-2016, 21:36)iliapas Wrote: The streaming device, whether Sonos or Bluesound, plays back the original lossless stream, in PCM, say 192/24. I'm sorry, but you are simple wrong here. Reduction in bits does not mean reduction in resolution (dither aside). Rather it means reduction of dynamic range; exactly what you want if you wish to reduce the loudness. Imagine a singer playing a guitar. One (guitar or singer) is going to be louder than the other and will, without compression, require more bits. But both will still be perfectly resolved. And why do you imagine that a DAC will be any better at this than anything else? RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - iliapas - 10-Jan-2016 Hi, Gremlin. For your example of guitar and singer: this is why many times you record them separately, each with different gain, such that you get maximal dynamic range captured. What's the point in recording in 24bit if you're only going to use 10bits and zeros in the rest? This of it this way: even if you recorded a singer shouting right into the microphone and play at a much lower volume at home, the same dynamic range can be reproduced, mapped into your new range of sound pressures. If your equipment is good enough, even at very low volume you will be able to distinguish the detail of the original recording. The difference between Phantom getting a 12bit stream and a 24bit stream is that in the same volume level, you are reconstructing the original audio stream either from a 12bit or 24bit data. The fact that this extra data is lost on the way to Phantom means it is not receiving the extra data that would allow it to reconstruct the sound to a higher accuracy. Whether that makes a difference for you personally is a different question, and is better suited to some kind of a "Is there a difference between 16bit and 24bit audio" thread. The Phantom is able to provide you with highly detailed playback even at lower levels. RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - Gremlin - 11-Jan-2016 (10-Jan-2016, 23:46)iliapas Wrote: Hi, Gremlin. Wrong again, I'm afraid. It matters not one jot whether it is the Phantom or the provided data stream that reduces or increases the loudness. There is no loss of data, just manipulated data, and at which end the manipulation happens is of no consequence to anyone. And there is certainly no loss of information that any human without special powers would be able to discern. And however the recording is made, the master will have some sounds louder than others. Do you really think that an orchestra playing a crescendo is better reproduced at the noisy bit rather than the quieter bit? Because, if so, you would be obviously wrong. And as I said before, the number of bits involved has nothing to do with resolution, only dynamic range. The sampling frequency is what determines resolution. RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - Johnnydev - 11-Jan-2016 (10-Jan-2016, 22:31)MrSinister Wrote: My node is for my wife. She hates the way spark works and just wants to listen to some radio or music for the little one. And control it on the device and not having to look for her ipad, unlock it, start spark etc...i.e. when the phone rings. That was overhere the same with my wife . My advice: Buy the devialet remote And listen to the radio via TV ( waiting for the devialet internetradio upgrade ) RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - Pleyel - 11-Jan-2016 (10-Jan-2016, 21:36)iliapas Wrote: a) every time you reduce volume by 3dB you lose 1bit a) I think you rather loose 1 bit every 6 dB attenuation, not 3 dB. When you send a 16-bit material to a 24-bit DAC, you are supposed to use its whole dynamic, hence add zeros as Least Significant Bits, not Most. And these LSB are precisely those that you drop when applying attenuation. So dithering aside, at -30 dB into a 24-bit DAC, you miss 30/6 = 5 bits, and there are still 19 bits of resolution sent to the DAC: b) 5 bits less than a 24-bit material; c) no lost bit from a 16-bit source (still padded with 3 inactive LSB). You can play down to -48 dB and loose no information from a 16-bit CD. Right? RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - MrSinister - 11-Jan-2016 (11-Jan-2016, 09:15)Johnnydev Wrote:(10-Jan-2016, 22:31)MrSinister Wrote: My node is for my wife. She hates the way spark works and just wants to listen to some radio or music for the little one. And control it on the device and not having to look for her ipad, unlock it, start spark etc...i.e. when the phone rings. Mine are early phantoms without bluetooth i'm afraid. RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - Johnnydev - 11-Jan-2016 (11-Jan-2016, 18:21)PMrSinister Wrote:(11-Jan-2016, 09:15)Johnnydev Wrote:(10-Jan-2016, 22:31)MrSinister Wrote: My node is for my wife. She hates the way spark works and just wants to listen to some radio or music for the little one. And control it on the device and not having to look for her ipad, unlock it, start spark etc...i.e. when the phone rings. Mine are also without Bluetooth !!! RE: Bluesound NODE2 to connect to Phantom - MrSinister - 11-Jan-2016 Ok, so it doenst rely on bluetooth. Did not look at it because it is a little to basic with only volume control. |