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RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - wiresandmore - 26-Nov-2014
Just bumping this again as I am now about to start some serious demos.
Is anyone using Spendor D7's with their Devialet? Any comments?
RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - f1eng - 26-Nov-2014
SAM only is active at lower frequencies so if one speaker has a better mid-range and treble than another it still will after SAM.
I think it makes sense to audition SAM corrected models as a preference it will still probably not be the SAM aspects of the speaker which determine whether it is to your taste or not.
IMHO.
I think if you are auditioning full range speakers SAM is unlikely to make a big enough difference tp reject one speaker over another.
My main speakers will never be SAMmed and it bothers me not a jot.
OTOH SAM makes a marked difference on my KEF LS50s and other small speakers and may well be a determining factor in the choice of a limited bass extension model..
RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - amabrok - 26-Nov-2014
I have auditioned the Devialet Ensemble (D120 + ATOHM GT1 SPECIAL EDITION) and the sound was awesome with clear and relaxed base. it was in a small room though. so i guess that would be a safe bet to go with decent bookshelf SAM ready for smaller rooms
i also auditioned the D800 with Wilson Audio Duette and that was in a way bigger room and again it was mind blowing. in the same room with the same D800 i also tried the Sophia 3 and surprisingly did not sound as nice on the low frequencies (but this was a new pair not fully run in).
Earlier i auditioned Vivid Audio Giya G3 and G4 and i liked the sound more with SAM off!
in my System (currently D200 + ML ESL) SAM helped the speaker to play with ease, confidence and control on the low frequencies ... oh you should listen to Jonas Helborg - The Silent Life on my system with SAM on
So i guess this is in line with many posts we saw here that some like sam on and other like it off. Also other speaker that are not sam ready and dons't look they ever will (e.g. ML Montis) they still sound great with Devialet.
this is surely a very subjective thing and depends on your system, room, taste, genres you play, and preference. so bottom line aim for an audition in your own room, while this is not always possible nor practical, but it is the best way for you to judge
Cheers
RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - wiresandmore - 26-Nov-2014
thanks guys, I am trying as far as possible to do home demos, but I have limited dealer coverage where I live so not easy to get a wide range into my home. My strong preference is to take SAM ready options, but equally I think over the next few months they will do even more so this will be less and less restrictive.
RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - rik - 26-Nov-2014
Although the bass "boost" / correction of SAM is only available below 150Hz I believe, rather like Linn's Exakt tech, that there is phase correction(*) going on at all frequencies.
And yes, I would definitely ONLY get SAM speakers these days. My Atomh GT1's (Which I realize don't meet your requirements [White bookshelf]) are significantly improved by SAM.
Rik
(*)Possibly not the correct term
RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - Vivialet - 26-Nov-2014
(26-Nov-2014, 14:33)amabrok Wrote: Earlier i auditioned Vivid Audio Giya G3 and G4 and i liked the sound more with SAM off!
I have the G2 and SAM is a big improvement. But 100% is too much for my room, 50% is just fine. Simply activating SAM does not always give the best result as 100% is the default...
RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - ozthepoz - 27-Nov-2014
(26-Nov-2014, 14:33)amabrok Wrote: I have auditioned the Devialet Ensemble (D120 + ATOHM GT1 SPECIAL EDITION) and the sound was awesome with clear and relaxed base. it was in a small room though. so i guess that would be a safe bet to go with decent bookshelf SAM ready for smaller rooms
i also auditioned the D800 with Wilson Audio Duette and that was in a way bigger room and again it was mind blowing. in the same room with the same D800 i also tried the Sophia 3 and surprisingly did not sound as nice on the low frequencies (but this was a new pair not fully run in).
Earlier i auditioned Vivid Audio Giya G3 and G4 and i liked the sound more with SAM off!
in my System (currently D200 + ML ESL) SAM helped the speaker to play with ease, confidence and control on the low frequencies ... oh you should listen to Jonas Helborg - The Silent Life on my system with SAM on
So i guess this is in line with many posts we saw here that some like sam on and other like it off. Also other speaker that are not sam ready and dons't look they ever will (e.g. ML Montis) they still sound great with Devialet.
this is surely a very subjective thing and depends on your system, room, taste, genres you play, and preference. so bottom line aim for an audition in your own room, while this is not always possible nor practical, but it is the best way for you to judge
Cheers
Good point about the ML Montis. I have ML Vantage speakers and would only ever consider going for another pair of MLs - SAM or no SAM.
The speed and imaging properties of electrostatics are more important to me than SAM.
RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - Jwg1749 - 27-Nov-2014
(27-Nov-2014, 22:11)ozthepoz Wrote:(26-Nov-2014, 14:33)amabrok Wrote: So i guess this is in line with many posts we saw here that some like sam on and other like it off. Also other speaker that are not sam ready and dons't look they ever will (e.g. ML Montis) they still sound great with Devialet.
Good point about the ML Montis. I have ML Vantage speakers and would only ever consider going for another pair of MLs - SAM or no SAM.
The speed and imaging properties of electrostatics are more important to me than SAM.
I feel the same. I've heard lots of electrodynamic (cone) speakers with Devialet, some with SAM, others not. I know my Montis will never get SAM, but no way would I go back to cone speakers for the sake of SAM.
Tomorrow I'm getting a 200 "Companion" on home demo plus a Sanders Magtech power amp. Should be an interesting three-way shoot-out: D200 vs D400 vs Magtech.
Matt
Re: RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - amabrok - 28-Nov-2014
(27-Nov-2014, 22:50)Jwg1749 Wrote:Please tell us how the comparison went? And you have the Montis, right?(27-Nov-2014, 22:11)ozthepoz Wrote:(26-Nov-2014, 14:33)amabrok Wrote: So i guess this is in line with many posts we saw here that some like sam on and other like it off. Also other speaker that are not sam ready and dons't look they ever will (e.g. ML Montis) they still sound great with Devialet.
Good point about the ML Montis. I have ML Vantage speakers and would only ever consider going for another pair of MLs - SAM or no SAM.
The speed and imaging properties of electrostatics are more important to me than SAM.
I feel the same. I've heard lots of electrodynamic (cone) speakers with Devialet, some with SAM, others not. I know my Montis will never get SAM, but no way would I go back to cone speakers for the sake of SAM.
Tomorrow I'm getting a 200 "Companion" on home demo plus a Sanders Magtech power amp. Should be an interesting three-way shoot-out: D200 vs D400 vs Magtech.
Matt
RE: Cheaper with SAM vs. more expensive without? - GuillaumeB - 28-Nov-2014
(27-Nov-2014, 22:50)Jwg1749 Wrote:(27-Nov-2014, 22:11)ozthepoz Wrote:(26-Nov-2014, 14:33)amabrok Wrote: So i guess this is in line with many posts we saw here that some like sam on and other like it off. Also other speaker that are not sam ready and dons't look they ever will (e.g. ML Montis) they still sound great with Devialet.
Good point about the ML Montis. I have ML Vantage speakers and would only ever consider going for another pair of MLs - SAM or no SAM.
The speed and imaging properties of electrostatics are more important to me than SAM.
I feel the same. I've heard lots of electrodynamic (cone) speakers with Devialet, some with SAM, others not. I know my Montis will never get SAM, but no way would I go back to cone speakers for the sake of SAM.
Tomorrow I'm getting a 200 "Companion" on home demo plus a Sanders Magtech power amp. Should be an interesting three-way shoot-out: D200 vs D400 vs Magtech.
Matt
What source are you going to use with the Magtech?
Guillaume