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RE: New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - Hifi_swlon - 06-May-2015
Hopefully people are also leaving comments on the Devialet website... (especially those that don't like it
)
New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - amabrok - 07-May-2015
Am I getting crazy or what?!
From day one I did not like 7.1.3. Felt the bass was smeared and there was an apparent loss of control!
Last night I edited the Configurator to enable Phono In for my new TT and since then and while still on 7.1.3 everything sounds awesome! And I'm not talking about the Turntable, I'm talking about my good old digital sources which a night before did not sound good with the beta version!!!
How is that possible?!
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RE: New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - Jnan_devi - 07-May-2015
New beta Firmware 7.1.3 updated.
Volume : Agreed with some of the posts here. I generally use Mark Knopler's Private Investigation and other Indian songs which has overall dynamics. Not sure about the power increase, but I dont have to go all the way to -10 to -8dB. After 7.1.3 installation, I first increased the volume to the extent i was satisfied with the loudness, and then got up from couch to check the volume, it was at -17dB. Nice change. I clearly see there is improvement in overall listening experience. Found difference in the Bass (not sure yet, need to do some more auditioning). Also found difference in BASS with and without SAM but less compared to 7.1.1. Mids are up-leveled, little forward – I like it this way. I think highs are Close enough to previous (better). I don’t have world best ears to determine the difference.
SAM: Dont have SAM profile for my speakers, but using SAM of new series of the same speaker model. I do find difference, but not as much as the previous Firmware 7.1.1. I can go without SAM or tried to reduce % all the way to 10% which is fine too. I think I will eventually forgo SAM.
Temperature: for my listening volumes of -10dB, With SAM ON (20%) with previous 7.1.1, it used to go upto 44deg.C much quicker ~20mins. Now I noted with 1 hour of listening, it breached 40Deg.C
Overall happier with the new Firmware 7.1.3.
Someone wants to put up a poll ? I would be happy to cast my vote. but with some additional parameters like SQ, SAM different, Volume, No difference at all, Old Firmware better etc.
RE: New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - smokejumper - 07-May-2015
Beta 7.1.3 seems to give a 'louder' tonal balance than 7.1.1. I thought 7.1.1 was very neutral and sounded great on top class recordings. But on my speakers, now obsolete and unlikely to get SAM, many recordings sounded lean. 7.1.3 is probably a better compromise for me. I think it will also help counter the criticism that Devialets sound thin at low volume.
If you like a bright sound though, you may need to wind up the volume more on 7.1.3, which may make it sound harsh. But for me it is not harsh.
RE: New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - iamwappie - 07-May-2015
(07-May-2015, 08:43)amabrok Wrote: Am I getting crazy or what?!
From day one I did not like 7.1.3. Felt the bass was smeared and there was an apparent loss of control!
Last night I edited the Configurator to enable Phono In for my new TT and since then and while still on 7.1.3 everything sounds awesome! And I'm not talking about the Turntable, I'm talking about my good old digital sources which a night before did not sound good with the beta version!!!
How is that possible?!
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I don't know. I saved my 7.1.1 config file prior to the update and then created a new one after the update and did a binary comparison of the files and they were identical so no new config file is required for an update. Maybe it differs for Phono users which I don't use.
New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - amabrok - 07-May-2015
(07-May-2015, 10:35)iamwappie Wrote:(07-May-2015, 08:43)amabrok Wrote: Am I getting crazy or what?!
From day one I did not like 7.1.3. Felt the bass was smeared and there was an apparent loss of control!
Last night I edited the Configurator to enable Phono In for my new TT and since then and while still on 7.1.3 everything sounds awesome! And I'm not talking about the Turntable, I'm talking about my good old digital sources which a night before did not sound good with the beta version!!!
How is that possible?!
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I don't know. I saved my 7.1.1 config file prior to the update and then created a new one after the update and did a binary comparison of the files and they were identical so no new config file is required for an update. Maybe it differs for Phono users which I don't use.
Very true. Config files do not vary with different firmware versions because in the Configurator there is no option to specify which firmware version the config file will be used with.
However I guess what happened is when I enabled the Phono on this new config file it changed the over all performance of my D400. And I absolutely have no clue how
But I simply like it
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RE: New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - runlonger - 07-May-2015
Hehe, I can't resist to give my comments on the new firmware as well.
I did extensive listening with 7.1.1 right before the upgrade and right after. Then I thought it is clearly identical, maybe just adding some beta-functionality to be controlled by dialog. Now, after a week, I also tend to believe that the sound has gotten better. For example clearer sound while listening with high volume. I can confirm the temperature drop of about 4° while seeing the status with tone controls. However, if I touch it by hand, I do not notice any difference.
Concerning sound quality, I am fully aware, that it is probably just our minds playing tricks on us. Like the expectation bias or the group bias etc...
The 12 cognitive biases that prevent you from being rational:
http://io9.com/5974468/the-most-common-cognitive-biases-that-prevent-you-from-being-rational
Lets face it, we are always on the look for something we can improve, otherwise we wouldn't be in this forum, and therefore we are somewhat biased. Even tough I only listen to FLAC, it was an eye-opener for me doing a real double-blind ABX- MP3 vs FLAC-comparison with Foobar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7GyFW4hOI) (http://www.mpex.net/info/abx.html). I was convinced before that FLAC was clearly better than Mp3, but I failed the test even with 160kb Mp3's converted for the first time.
Maybe someone with two Devialets would be able to do a double-blind test, with fast switching between the two units. That would give a clearer picture.
But lets have some fun tuning our equipment none the less...
New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - amabrok - 07-May-2015
(07-May-2015, 11:05)runlonger Wrote: Hehe, I can't resist to give my comments on the new firmware as well.
I did extensive listening with 7.1.1 right before the upgrade and right after. Then I thought it is clearly identical, maybe just adding some beta-functionality to be controlled by dialog. Now, after a week, I also tend to believe that the sound has gotten better. For example clearer sound while listening with high volume. I can confirm the temperature drop of about 4° while seeing the status with tone controls. However, if I touch it by hand, I do not notice any difference.
Concerning sound quality, I am fully aware, that it is probably just our minds playing tricks on us. Like the expectation bias or the group bias etc...
The 12 cognitive biases that prevent you from being rational:
http://io9.com/5974468/the-most-common-cognitive-biases-that-prevent-you-from-being-rational
Lets face it, we are always on the look for something we can improve, otherwise we wouldn't be in this forum, and therefore we are somewhat biased. Even tough I only listen to FLAC, it was an eye-opener for me doing a real double-blind ABX- MP3 vs FLAC-comparison with Foobar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7GyFW4hOI) (http://www.mpex.net/info/abx.html). I was convinced before that FLAC was clearly better than Mp3, but I failed the test even with 160kb Mp3's converted for the first time.
Maybe someone with two Devialets would be able to do a double-blind test, with fast switching between the two units. That would give a clearer picture.
But lets have some fun tuning our equipment none the less...
Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.
I specially like this Post-Purchase Rationalization
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RE: New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - Pim - 07-May-2015
(07-May-2015, 11:23)amabrok Wrote:(07-May-2015, 11:05)runlonger Wrote: Hehe, I can't resist to give my comments on the new firmware as well.
I did extensive listening with 7.1.1 right before the upgrade and right after. Then I thought it is clearly identical, maybe just adding some beta-functionality to be controlled by dialog. Now, after a week, I also tend to believe that the sound has gotten better. For example clearer sound while listening with high volume. I can confirm the temperature drop of about 4° while seeing the status with tone controls. However, if I touch it by hand, I do not notice any difference.
Concerning sound quality, I am fully aware, that it is probably just our minds playing tricks on us. Like the expectation bias or the group bias etc...
The 12 cognitive biases that prevent you from being rational:
http://io9.com/5974468/the-most-common-cognitive-biases-that-prevent-you-from-being-rational
Lets face it, we are always on the look for something we can improve, otherwise we wouldn't be in this forum, and therefore we are somewhat biased. Even tough I only listen to FLAC, it was an eye-opener for me doing a real double-blind ABX- MP3 vs FLAC-comparison with Foobar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7GyFW4hOI) (http://www.mpex.net/info/abx.html). I was convinced before that FLAC was clearly better than Mp3, but I failed the test even with 160kb Mp3's converted for the first time.
Maybe someone with two Devialets would be able to do a double-blind test, with fast switching between the two units. That would give a clearer picture.
But lets have some fun tuning our equipment none the less...
Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.
I specially like this Post-Purchase Rationalization
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Last Saturday, I was listening to a 128kb/s MP3 of a live recording of JJ Cale singing After Midnight. It was by far the best recording I heard in that 1 hour long session. It had space, bass weight, beautiful voice, depth , width etc. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the whole picture. I'm sure the higher resolution stuff has the potential to sound better but this recording is proof that potential and practice are two very different things. I'm definitely not discarding low resolution just on the numbers.
RE: New beta firmware 7.1.3 released - hk6230 - 07-May-2015
(07-May-2015, 13:00)Pim van Vliet Wrote:(07-May-2015, 11:23)amabrok Wrote:(07-May-2015, 11:05)runlonger Wrote: Hehe, I can't resist to give my comments on the new firmware as well.
I did extensive listening with 7.1.1 right before the upgrade and right after. Then I thought it is clearly identical, maybe just adding some beta-functionality to be controlled by dialog. Now, after a week, I also tend to believe that the sound has gotten better. For example clearer sound while listening with high volume. I can confirm the temperature drop of about 4° while seeing the status with tone controls. However, if I touch it by hand, I do not notice any difference.
Concerning sound quality, I am fully aware, that it is probably just our minds playing tricks on us. Like the expectation bias or the group bias etc...
The 12 cognitive biases that prevent you from being rational:
http://io9.com/5974468/the-most-common-cognitive-biases-that-prevent-you-from-being-rational
Lets face it, we are always on the look for something we can improve, otherwise we wouldn't be in this forum, and therefore we are somewhat biased. Even tough I only listen to FLAC, it was an eye-opener for me doing a real double-blind ABX- MP3 vs FLAC-comparison with Foobar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7GyFW4hOI) (http://www.mpex.net/info/abx.html). I was convinced before that FLAC was clearly better than Mp3, but I failed the test even with 160kb Mp3's converted for the first time.
Maybe someone with two Devialets would be able to do a double-blind test, with fast switching between the two units. That would give a clearer picture.
But lets have some fun tuning our equipment none the less...
Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.
I specially like this Post-Purchase Rationalization
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Last Saturday, I was listening to a 128kb/s MP3 of a live recording of JJ Cale singing After Midnight. It was by far the best recording I heard in that 1 hour long session. It had space, bass weight, beautiful voice, depth , width etc. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the whole picture. I'm sure the higher resolution stuff has the potential to sound better but this recording is proof that potential and practice are two very different things. I'm definitely not discarding low resolution just on the numbers.
Thanks for the recommendation on JJ Cale. I tried listening to a FLAC recording of the same album with a stream version (which most likely in 128kbps or max 320kbps MP3). There is definitely a great improvement with FLAC version. And, you are right, listening to the stream version with Devialet is still enjoyable.