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RE: Jplay - GuillaumeB - 11-Nov-2014 (11-Nov-2014, 20:06)Antoine Wrote: It's not much work. Windows Server 2012 R2 installation doesn't differ much from Windows 8. The Audiophile Optimizer takes care of the system tuning and configuration. Only thing you have to do is install JPlay, JRiver/Foobar and a few hardware drivers (most are recognized by windows). From there it's set and forget, you turn the machine on and off using the power button. It boots in seconds from a SSD as it has to start very little. The thing is many of us on here simply don't have the knowledge and/or confidence to build our own PCs. That's why we outsource to someone like Vincent Brient at totaldac! What is attractive about the totaldac solution is the combination of streamer and reclocker and also the attention to detail in the way that it's built. For example he has removed the LED on the ethernet port! Even his ethernet cable is so good it's replaced my AQ Diamond at the streamer end. This guy really knows what he's doing. I have no doubt your computer sounds fantastic by the way! It might even be better that the d1 server, who knows? Guillaume PS I read on some of the other forums that the totaldac USB cable pretty much beats a lot of the competition. It has a network box that filters the cable of noise. RE: Jplay - ogs - 11-Nov-2014 (11-Nov-2014, 20:06)Antoine Wrote: From there it's set and forget, Well, that is where my experience differs. My Jriver installation tends to crash. I've had this with 18, 19 and now 20. I updated W2012 R2 drivers this summer and that reduced crashing by maybe 75%, but I still get crashes. With JPlay it is even worse. I don't mind working with computers, but I am more on Gillaume's side when it comes to usability and stability. I could maybe tolerate a few crashes a month for my self, but if a crash happens when my wife plays music and I am at work it's trouble! RE: Jplay - Antoine - 11-Nov-2014 (11-Nov-2014, 20:27)GuillaumeB Wrote: The thing is many of us on here simply don't have the knowledge and/or confidence to build our own PCs. That's why we outsource to someone like Vincent Brient at totaldac! I completely respect this Guillaume. Apologies to anyone who feels I come across as a pushing DIY fanatic! This is not my intention, all I like to do is share knowledge and personal experiences. What anyone does with that is fine with me. Sometimes I forget I grew up with computers from a young age and had an interest in them as well and this of course isn't the case for everybody. (11-Nov-2014, 20:27)GuillaumeB Wrote: What is attractive about the totaldac solution is the combination of streamer and reclocker and also the attention to detail in the way that it's built. For example he has removed the LED on the ethernet port! Even his ethernet cable is so good it's replaced my AQ Diamond at the streamer end. This guy really knows what he's doing. I'm quite sure Vincent Brient knows what he's doing. Funny BTW, I read about more designs that disable the ethernet LED's, of course all that blinking causes some noise. I already looked into disabling them as well but they are hardwired in to the hardware so no software driven way to switch them off. And I'd rather not hack and saw into my mainboard. I have read nothing but rave reviews/experiences about the TotalDac USB cable, it's price is certainly reasonable as well. Since I learned a few days ago I don't really need a dual head USB cable I'd like to try it myself as well and will probably do soon too. (11-Nov-2014, 20:57)ogs Wrote:(11-Nov-2014, 20:06)Antoine Wrote: From there it's set and forget, Sorry to hear that, and again I respect everyone's opinion. I have been using JRiver since late v18, then v19, and now version 20 and I am completely honest when I say it has never crashed here, not once. The same goes for JPlay, but I have only recently started using that. So it can be stable but of course it's important to use good, high quality computer parts. Also I have disabled any- and everything in JRiver that I don't need for music playback. RE: Jplay - ogs - 11-Nov-2014 (11-Nov-2014, 21:01)Antoine Wrote: Sorry to hear that, and again I respect everyone's opinion. It must be something with Windows and Intel NUC combined with Jiver. First I had an i3 version then i5 NUC. Both W7 and 2012R2. Same type of crash. I know many have the kind of stability with Jriver as you have and that is part of the good reputation Jriver has. So I guess I just have bad luck.. I know I've tried to fix the problems - posted on interact and gotten good responses, but not been able to find the cause. RE: Jplay - Morten - 12-Nov-2014 (11-Nov-2014, 18:34)Antoine Wrote: Hi Morten, Hello Antoine. I listen in exactly the same way that you do :-) If you are willing to give Foobar a try you could use hibernation, you will then need to fork out the 3€ for the MonkeyMote APP on you iPad—it is used to control Foobar. To clarify. You can run a single PC setup where the PC is in hibernation mode. The music will be controlled from you iPad with the MonkeyMote APP The shortcoming is that the music must be stored on a “Local drive” I only have a small hard disk in my PC—hence I am experimenting with setting up a virtual hard disk connected to my NAS or Router, I think I got it to work, but if I don’t I will procure a 1TB SSD disk, I think the improvement in sound is worth it:-) I learned this when I asked a question on the Jplay forum, it was a nice surprise and I have for good given up any plans to try JRiver. http://jplay.eu/forum/computer-audio/foobar-vs-jriver-with-jplay/ Kind regards Morten (11-Nov-2014, 22:53)ogs Wrote:(11-Nov-2014, 21:01)Antoine Wrote: Sorry to hear that, and again I respect everyone's opinion. Hello ogs You could try Foobar, together with the MonkeyMote APP on you iPad—it is used to control Foobar. I like it, easy to use and it has some good feaures. The possibility to have lyrics on many songs A good search function To name a few :-) Kind regards Morten RE: Jplay - Antoine - 12-Nov-2014 Thank you Morten, very helpful! Before settling with JRiver I already tried Foobar and also the MonkeyMoteHD app which is still present on my iPad. I will try hibernate sometime on a rainy sunday! RE: Jplay - Confused - 12-Nov-2014 (11-Nov-2014, 20:27)GuillaumeB Wrote: What is attractive about the totaldac solution is the combination of streamer and reclocker and also the attention to detail in the way that it's built. It seems logical to me that the Totaldac's clocking ability is what really sets it apart SQ wise. There are many reports of dedicated clocking devices improving CD transports, streamers etc. The question is, is there anyway of truly optimising a PC's clocking ability, that is equivalent to a dedicated reclocker? I am sure that this must be possible? RE: Jplay - Antoine - 12-Nov-2014 The reclocking in the TotalDAC is necessary for converting USB to S/PDIF so it can output it over coax or AES/EBU. Music server PC's that usually output USB are optimized to lower noise and are regularly outfitted with purpose built USB interface cards (like the JCAT I own, see specs here: http://jplay.eu/jcat/) with high levels of noise filtering and a high quality clock. This component can in fact also be seen as a 'reclocker' (but one operating fully in the digital domain), the data received by the card is reconstructed and outputted by the card using it's local clock. Note that there's no S/PDIF involved in which the data stream has an embedded clock signal that has to be reconstructed by the receiver, this is where usually a 'reclocker' as known by audiophiles (Digital Lens, Wyred4Sound's Remedy, Apogee Big Ben, etc.) is used. An interesting Q+A with Brient, the developer of TotalDAC. In this context especially Q+A 3 is relevant. source: http://singaporehifi.blogspot.nl/2014/09/totaldac-usb-cable-filter.html Quote:Mr. Brient kindly agreed to answer some questions I had about his cable and some other general questions. The questions and answers are reproduced in verbatim below :- RE: Jplay - GuillaumeB - 12-Nov-2014 (12-Nov-2014, 20:13)Antoine Wrote: The reclocking in the TotalDAC is necessary for converting USB to S/PDIF so it can output it over coax or AES/EBU. Wow thanks for sharing Antoine! Very interesting indeed. Guillaume RE: Jplay - Morten - 22-Nov-2014 Hello, just a small update on my tests with Hibernation. I only have one issue with it, when I listen to internet radio from Foobar I have to pull the USB thumb drive to stop the music. Otherwise it is perfect, when I listen to my own rips it works flawless, when I select a new album there is a few seconds pause, I assume that it close something down on the PC. But after this is works like when I was not using Hibernation, it just sounds better :-) It have been some journey with Jplay, stating with the software to new USB cables, fiddling with virtual hard drives on the PC, but it have been worth it, I simply can’t stop smiling when I sit down and relax in front of the system. However, I where to start today I will have chosen a PC like to one Antoine have, with Jcat USB card :-) Kind regards Morten |