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RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - Dr Tone - 13-Jul-2016
(13-Jul-2016, 13:16)mak972 Wrote: Just Sign,
I think they should open source the API / Protocol to communicate with their devices, it would solve a lot a issue...
They can't openly communicate with owners never mind understand open source.
RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - Hifi_swlon - 13-Jul-2016
(13-Jul-2016, 13:16)mak972 Wrote: Just Sign,
I think they should open source the API / Protocol to communicate with their devices, it would solve a lot a issue...
Yes, but then everyone could see the code behind the worlds best and most reliable audiophile streaming transport.
RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - Mka - 13-Jul-2016
(13-Jul-2016, 13:16)Smak972 Wrote: Just Sign,
I think they should open source the API / Protocol to communicate with their devices, it would solve a lot a issue...
Spec's would be enough, no need to publish their code. May we restart ou reverse engeneering efforts?
RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - Hifi_swlon - 13-Jul-2016
I like georgethesixths recent comment on the petition that he may well present Devialet/the press/customers with the petition and some posters with the info/background at their 1000 Pro launch event. Maybe the same could be done for the launch at all flagship stores around the world?
RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - Confused - 13-Jul-2016
One thought I had today about the numbers that have signed the petition. I was chatting to a fellow Devialet owner at the D1000 launch today, the conversation drifted onto streamer options, the guy was talking about Melco's. I mentioned that I was currently experimenting with a Sonore MicroRendu. What's a microRendu? He asked. OK, this is a statistical sample of 1, but it does provide firm evidence that not everyone who owns a Devialet Expert is interested in internet forums.
RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - Hifi_swlon - 14-Jul-2016
There was an interesting point posted by @davidsrsb over on the pink fish thread.
Quote:The symptoms described sound like the sort of thing that happens with buggy hardware. Many of these complex SOC ICs have a worrying errata, if you can squeeze it out of the manufacturer.
It is quite possible that there is no easy software fix and they are trying to avoid a product recall. It happens with smartphones, but customers are more tolerant of issues with them than at Devialet prices
I wonder if this is the most likley true reason why it's not reliable for everyone, and the software updates are just workarounds to various degrees to try and avoid a recall. Seems likely to me.
The old 'undocumented Windows bug' thing trotted out at the Oxford event made me laugh once again - do they think no one in this world has any connection with software development and so thinks this is a believable excuse? I mean, sure, there are such things - probably lots of them - but you work around them in days/weeks or maybe a couple of months in extreme cases. Two years across several OS releases? Similar undocumented bugs likely in Win and OSX. No. Not really. All modern software has bugs - it's complicated stuff that's constantly evolving. The software I work with has loads. As a professional you work around them.
And it's still not fixed and now potentially a year away from a hardware streamer board update which will only be free to people crazy enough to buy a 1000 Pro - ie a paid upgrade.
RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - Hifi_swlon - 14-Jul-2016
There was an interesting point posted by @davidsrsb over on the pink fish thread.
Quote:The symptoms described sound like the sort of thing that happens with buggy hardware. Many of these complex SOC ICs have a worrying errata, if you can squeeze it out of the manufacturer.
It is quite possible that there is no easy software fix and they are trying to avoid a product recall. It happens with smartphones, but customers are more tolerant of issues with them than at Devialet prices
I wonder if this is the most likley true reason why it's not reliable for everyone, and the software updates are just workarounds to various degrees to try and avoid a recall. Seems likely to me.
The old 'undocumented Windows bug' thing trotted out at the Oxford event made me laugh once again - do they think no one in this world has any connection with software development and so thinks this is a believable excuse? I mean, sure, there are such things - probably lots of them - but you work around them in days/weeks or maybe a couple of months in extreme cases. Two years across several OS releases? Similar undocumented bugs likely in Win and OSX. No. Not really. All modern software has bugs - it's complicated stuff that's constantly evolving. The software I work with has loads. As a professional you work around them.
And it's still not fixed and now potentially a year away from a hardware streamer board update which will only be free to people crazy enough to buy a 1000 Pro - ie a paid upgrade.
Anyway it sounds like they're saying a Windows version is coming this month, and I would assume then a non-beta OSX version too. So let's see, happy to be proven wrong.
RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - Antoine - 14-Jul-2016
(13-Jul-2016, 21:46)Hifi_swlon Wrote: I like georgethesixths recent comment on the petition that he may well present Devialet/the press/customers with the petition and some posters with the info/background at their 1000 Pro launch event. Maybe the same could be done for the launch at all flagship stores around the world?
I read the addition georgethesixth made, and while quoting you my question is a general one. Just now I was thinking, isn't it common to first hand over a petition before expecting a statement from the party you're handing it over to? Of course I'm not sure how it's done with a 'digital' Internet petition but perhaps these should indeed be printed and handed over to a Devialet representative/or sent over mail to senior Devialet management, perhaps directly to it's CEO Quentin Sannié.
@Georgethesixth, is there be a certain number of signatures you had in mind before presenting the petition to Devialet?
RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - Georgethesixth - 14-Jul-2016
PHi Guys,
Thanks for all the support. My personal thoughts : the petition is a guarantee to make sure Devialet will deliver AIR3 in a way that Q&A is sure it works.
1. Management cannot publicly recognize the problems because it would mean they knew they were knowingly cheating customers and that is something you can get away with in the EU but not in the USA.
2. The moment AIR3 is ready, they'll ask what all the fuss was about. They'll have lots of satisfied customers so that is proof there was no problem. They conveniently will overlook the fact that a lot of people bought additional equipment they never intended to buy. I did the same of course, but that doesn't absolve them from taking responsibility. This might be a good time to say that all this started long before anything was published on the new series or a new AIR version for PC.
3. next steps : I'll publish the French version early August. I still hope Devialet will reach out and do the decent thing. If that doesn't help, I'll have and excuse to go and visit Paris and Maison Devialet
4. A friend of mine tweeted Devialet to ask about what was going on. He is seriously considering two high-ends but lacks the courage to commit to an uncertain platform. He was told that we were disgruntled customers who received a decent explanation and were offered beta3 software. This couldn't be further from the truth. I'm seriously considering publishing the full support thread. Underneath you'll find my initial questions. Frustrated : yes, but impolite, threatening, disgruntled? Let's just say that I never received an answer on any of the three questions. If someone is,interested in the support numbers : 30694 for the first one, 40818 for the second one with the last warning that I would publish online. My first request about white noise had 3570. I think a was an early adopter.
Could you please take your time to answer my questions seriously? While you have probably hunderds requests a day, I have but one config that costed a lot of money.
1. Remote control:when we bought our Expert, we informed the dealer clearly that the Expert would be in a different room than the speakers. We were told that this was no problem as Devialet provided an App and custom installer options that mimic the functionality of the Expert Remote. This was true when we bought our expert, but since then neither the app nor the custom installer options have been upgraded. Functionality that requires the remote is simply not usable for us.
Could you please tell me when the app and/or the custom installer options will be updated ?
2. AIR: the AIR driver was a major selling point for us because it eliminated the limitations of cabling between PC and Devialet.
As it is, it has never worked a day in live environment. We never received an answer on the easy question for a hardware config that would work without issues. We were and are stil preparered to buy a dedicated PC if the AIR integration works flawlessly. We were one of the few people who payed for the AIR license, and I cannot help but feel that was a ripoff. So could you please tell us what hardware and software config guarantees AIR-functionality ? Could you also tell us when a version for Windows 10 will be available ?
3. While issue one is a but difficult we think it is fair to expect that Devialet provides functional upgrades for all the components of a solution during the period of the legal guarantee. I We are one of the few people who even paid for the Air-functionality and it has never worked a single day. If the issues cannot be solved, I rather send the Expert back and either receive a fair amount of money back or make a trade for a pair of Phantoms. However, my preferred solution is that everything just works like advertised and promised. What do you propose please ?
RE: AIR petition to Devialet Management, please sign - hahe - 14-Jul-2016
Just signed and total is now at 118