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RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - yabaVR - 18-Nov-2016 (18-Nov-2016, 13:18)GuillaumeB Wrote: Gosh chaps aren't we digressing a little? I know a lot of these themes are intertwined but still.... this seems to have turned into a discussion about the merits of SAM (as interesting as it is, perhaps this convo should be moved to a SAM thread?). Sorry, I was referring @arcam 'What I don't quite understand is why SAM (seems to have) made such a difference in sound quality, making it more analog, less digital. Signal crosstalk that amplified the digital artefacts?' @Guillaume Can you then move this to a new thread. I don't know how to do this. Thanks, gui RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - Inox - 18-Nov-2016 (18-Nov-2016, 09:43)Vivialet Wrote: I tried most of the RC software: Dirac, Acourate, parametric EQ's in jRiver. All of them help to solve room problems, but all of them also degrade the SQ. Dirac the most, Acourate is better but not perfect. The only room correction software that seems to work without any negative impact is the RoomEQ from Mathaudio (free for foobar). SAM is also slightly degrading SQ but can help a lot on some speakers. A lot to say about this as I disagree... But another thread ! Regards RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - Jean-Marie - 19-Nov-2016 (18-Nov-2016, 13:27)yabaVR Wrote:[... Wrote:pid='52880' dateline='1479471531']@Guillaume (18-Nov-2016, 18:02)Inox Wrote:(18-Nov-2016, 09:43)Vivialet Wrote: I tried most of the RC software: Dirac, Acourate, parametric EQ's in jRiver. All of them help to solve room problems, but all of them also degrade the SQ. Dirac the most, Acourate is better but not perfect. The only room correction software that seems to work without any negative impact is the RoomEQ from Mathaudio (free for foobar). SAM is also slightly degrading SQ but can help a lot on some speakers. +1 for an other thread and a lot to debate. Jean-Marie RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - arcam - 21-Nov-2016 (18-Nov-2016, 13:18)GuillaumeB Wrote: Arcam: can we get more precise details of some of these recordings so that we can try them out and give you feedback? Now that I've gone all digital, the CDs are all packed in the attic and I cannot easily give you a CD reference number. Here are Amazon pointers though:
RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - arcam - 21-Nov-2016 (17-Nov-2016, 10:11)yabaVR Wrote:(16-Nov-2016, 23:55)arcam Wrote: What I don't quite understand is why SAM (seems to have) made such a difference in sound quality, making it more analog, less digital. Signal crosstalk that amplified the digital artefacts? Thanks for the detail post @yabaVR. At the risk of disgressing, shall I say that I flabbergastedly discovered that my D's power socket was connected to a Devolo powerline adapter, remnant of a previous setup ? I immediately unplugged the Devolo and... suddenly the sound had become a little more precise. I now need to try with SAM off. But, where this post is not off topic, is why SAM would make Milstein's violon suddently less digital, especially since there is little bass. RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - yabaVR - 22-Nov-2016 (21-Nov-2016, 19:58)arcam Wrote:(17-Nov-2016, 10:11)yabaVR Wrote:(16-Nov-2016, 23:55)arcam Wrote: What I don't quite understand is why SAM (seems to have) made such a difference in sound quality, making it more analog, less digital. Signal crosstalk that amplified the digital artefacts? You've got it. At least one cause of poor sound. This powerline adapters produce a horrible amount of trash on the powerline. If you use some others in your house, I know it's uncomfortable, please try and pull them ALL out of the powersockets and listen again to your D. These poweradapters might be the main cause to your 'digital' sound no matter where they are pluged into the powerline. They are all connected when layed on the same phase (hence functioning ). Even if you got a poweradapter pluged in upstairs, it is still on the same powerline and polluting your Devialet with digital trash. That was my point with the pics. If you post some of your system we can more easily see the flaws in it and help you out of your 'digital disaster' . gui RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - yabaVR - 22-Nov-2016 (21-Nov-2016, 19:58)arcam Wrote: But, where this post is not off topic, is why SAM would make Milstein's violon suddently less digital, especially since there is little bass. #56 'Maybe because of loosing these details you also loose the phaseshifts of these details thus your brain has to work less and you're experiencing the result as sounding more analogue?' The fussed (out of phase) details are cut off by SAM hence your brain does not have to fix these issues and calms down -> it's 'feeling' more analogue. Instead the target should be: Get a better/improve (jitterless) source to work with your D and (perhaps) we have to fix other flaws in your system. Then you will experience the further details (SAM off) with Milstein's violin in pure bliss . gui RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - NickB - 22-Nov-2016 (22-Nov-2016, 12:24)yabaVR Wrote:(21-Nov-2016, 19:58)arcam Wrote:(17-Nov-2016, 10:11)yabaVR Wrote: To be more clear. If SAM helps you to get a more analogue sound, perfect. But have in mind the losses or better try the above test (SAM on/off) if there are any for you. But isn't the Devialet "Digital trash" anyway? RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - GuillaumeB - 22-Nov-2016 Classical music anyone? Guillaume RE: New Pro - SQ for classical music - yabaVR - 22-Nov-2016 (22-Nov-2016, 14:17)GuillaumeB Wrote: Classical music anyone? Hey Guillaume, got it (even the first time)! But his own words post #1: "Of course, ... I am not talking about recording studio acoustics or primitive recording technology or deteriorated tapes, but about decoding artifacts. When it works, my Devialet feels like a perfect analog amp. But when I fed it with one of these recordings, it feels like a mumbo-jumbo of digital artifacts. Or a bad, pixelated digital amp. Has anyone not see this as well? I am on 10.0.5." He recognizes these digital artifacts with old Classical music but for me this is not the cause of the problem (it could be every bad recording). Even his old classical recordings will sound good enough to enjoy them, when his system is set up right...or am I wrong here? It's a technical problem with bad recordings jointly with his system-chain. gui |