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RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - GuillaumeB - 30-Nov-2016 (30-Nov-2016, 21:56)Vivialet Wrote: no doubt that the big tubes (NAT Transmitter) were sounding magical with the given music (piano/violin, small choir, vocal/guitar). We have not directly compared the 250pro to these tubes, only the 400. But we compared the 400 to the 250pro which is better in most aspects. So I think a 1000pro is very close to the tubes, maybe a little less magical but more correct and more dynamic. And still much cheaper. By the way, and I kid you not, a few years ago I heard that Devialet were considering making an ADH amplifier using tubes. I heard this from Devialet themselves. This was of course long before the days of Phantom and even before this forum was launched. I imagine that over the years they have considered many other crazy ideas! Guillaume RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - Hifi_swlon - 30-Nov-2016 (30-Nov-2016, 21:56)Vivialet Wrote: What I cannot understand is the Devialet bashing of some people. For me they only show that they have no clue about correct music reproduction. To be honest, I don't think Devialet help themselves much there, and I don't mean in the products themselves. It's just if you want 'serious' hifi people to like something it seems obvious from the industry in general that you dont use incessant 'lifestyle' marketing and PR. Clearly Devialet aren't too bothered and would probably rather have a lifestyle crowd - more disposable income. I suppose putting it in a cool looking (and relatively small) box will always upset some people too (but attract others like myself). Most of us judge things with our eyes and bring all our preconceptions with us, it's just how we're designed... Looking forward to reading the article when I've got time for a google translate session. Great that a DC member was actually there. Tell us more Vivialet! RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - kerkhoffd - 30-Nov-2016 Thanks for sharing Vivialet. The review was picked up on some other forums too, but in those threads is never stated that the Devialets were compared with front and back-ends costing three to five times as much. Glad you cleared that one up for me Vivialet. Sets things in perspective. RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - beerman - 01-Dec-2016 (30-Nov-2016, 21:03)Vivialet Wrote: I was attending this workshop, it was my 250pro, the 400 belongs to a friend. A 3rd Devialet 400 owner was also present. All Devialet owners liked the Devialets very much, they had a much blacker background and also better details than any other amp. The 250pro was compared to a 30k€ frontend of DAC and preamp and NAT tubes costing about 8000€. In the end a unfair comparison, but for my ears the 250pro was better on a Wilson Benesch Discovery and much better on a horn speaker. In the other room the 400 has to fight against a 40k€ system which was sounding better in terms of nicer but not in terms of correctness. The music played was very tube friendly. When playing Yello it was obvious that the tubes have limits. I guess most of the audience were tube fans that simply heard what they wantet to hear (my impression). And some points of criticism were simply wrong, the Devialet 400 was the only amp reproducing sibilants of a choir correctly. Not better sounding but correctly. +1 RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - f1eng - 01-Dec-2016 (30-Nov-2016, 21:51)GuillaumeB Wrote:(30-Nov-2016, 21:04)f1eng Wrote: I consider the Devialet the least coloured amp I have heard and that is why I bought my first. I was just being pedantic really, Guillaume. HiFi is a shortening of high fidelity, and it seems over the last 15 to 20 years fidelity within the equipment is less valued by a lot of enthusiasts than some euphonic additions. Of course the timbre of a musical instrument is set by the combination of overtones, or harmonics, so it is entirely to be expected that harmonic distortion will change the timbre of an instrument, and that some may prefer this to the sound recorded, and of course the recorded sound is massively influenced by microphone choice and positioning, and the final sound by the mix. I have a Metric Halo recorder and I can use it to mix and add plugins. Pretty well any transfer function that the processor can compute in real time can be used in the mix. It is fun, but I always end up back with no processing (I also only use a stereo dummy head, no spot mics ear searingly close to instruments, so I already have plenty of ambience on recordings, no need to add any! cheers, Frank RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - Antoine - 02-Dec-2016 FYI more on this "workshop". http://www.aktives-hoeren.de/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8052 http://www.westdrift-forum.de/t427f26-Shakti-s-DAC-un-Vor-End-Vollverstaerker-workshop-am-3.html RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - runlonger - 02-Dec-2016 (30-Nov-2016, 21:24)f1eng Wrote:(30-Nov-2016, 21:03)Vivialet Wrote: For some people the Devialet is like a red rag, and most people still think the Devialet is a Class-D amp. And a Class-D amp is bad... Funny, that you are mentioning n-core. Last weekend I did some extensive comparisons switching back and forward from a Devialet 200 to two Monoblocks NC400 that a friend of mine recently built. I was surprised how good they were. Altough the Monoblocks are a lot cheaper, they had more detail in the middle and were very dynamic and neutral. Their pure class D sound was far better than what I expected. At the end, I think I preferred the two NC400 over the Devialet. Important is also to note that I run a Antimode room correction. Room correction is by far the biggest improvement I had during the last year. How would you compare the NC400 to Devialet? RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - f1eng - 02-Dec-2016 (02-Dec-2016, 13:43)runlonger Wrote:(30-Nov-2016, 21:24)f1eng Wrote:(30-Nov-2016, 21:03)Vivialet Wrote: For some people the Devialet is like a red rag, and most people still think the Devialet is a Class-D amp. And a Class-D amp is bad... I have never done a back-to-back comparison between n-Core and Devialet and have never heard a Devialet 200 at length. I have a friend with n-Cores and his system sounds great, but different speakers and room. He uses Helmholz resonator bass absorption too. I think they are stupendous value and hear that their designer believes it is not necessary to go to the same lengths Devialet have to get good sound. I consider the Devialet uncoloured and unexaggerated, personally. Of course the n-Cores need a preamp and DAC to be as complete as the Devialet so I don't know how big a saving they are as a system, or how domestically acceptable they look. I have an Antimode too but prefer my system without. My room is not bad already, and whilst the Antimode improves the bass evenness slightly where the microphone is put, it is worse elsewhere in the room. The most satisfactory electronic bass management I have heard had 4 bass boxes, so evenness could be improved over most of the room. I may go the Helmholz resonator route myself since that seems by far the most technically elegant solution. RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - runlonger - 02-Dec-2016 (02-Dec-2016, 16:53)f1eng Wrote:(02-Dec-2016, 13:43)runlonger Wrote:(30-Nov-2016, 21:24)f1eng Wrote: It is daft but true. I have one room mode at 45hz, that is flatened perfectly by the antimode and in my case the acoustics are also fine elsewhere in the room. A big improvement. The antimode can also be used as a preamp and if you have to use the antimode with a devialet anyways, then the n-cores are much cheaper. They also consume exactly as much power as a devialet. I'm a total fan of the devialet sound and the nc400's were really, really good. Simillar to the Devialet, overall even a little bit better. Devialet uses ADH, I do not know what Hypex uses to make their Class D sound so good, but obviously after hearing the two amps ADH is not the only way. Where are you planing to use those Helmholz resonators and how big are they? RE: German Analog-Forum.de comparison of D250 Pro and D400 versus some other brands - Antoine - 02-Dec-2016 Guys, please keep it on topic. |