RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - markush - 15-Jul-2022
Seems with AIR driver fix etc. there are some resources and it’s a good timing to being this major bug up again. Would be great if you can write to support about all your detailed bug report you already collected.
RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - kerkhoffd - 16-Jul-2022
(12-Jul-2022, 23:49)daniel.avasilichioaei Wrote: Devialet has not suggested doing this because this is a workaround, which should not have been necessary, as the configurator should have worked 100% well.
Trigger cable is not required; this is useful when using a real companion. The only cable required is RCA_OUT - RCA_IN or RCA_OUT - AES / EBU.
File comparison:
- The MASTER file is not changed at all.
- The COMPANION file (second master in workaround) is completely changed. Basically, it is identical to the one from MASTER, but with a different audio channel (left/right) and another audio input.
(13-Jul-2022, 08:32)audio_engr Wrote: (12-Jul-2022, 21:49)mdconnelly Wrote: The fact that there is any sonic change is remarkable and makes one wonder why Devialet has not suggested doing this or even acknowledged that it as a viable option. I will definitely give it a try sometime soon.
@audio_engr - in doing this, did you change anything else? Were you only using the master previously as input? Using a trigger cable?
Did you change anything with the way the link cable is configured? Did you do a compare of the before/after config files to see what exactly changed? Just being curious while scratching my head as to the differences.
It is indeed a great pity that this sort of an issue ONLY affect the top two most expensive Experts in Devialet's lineup. It also affects 210-Pro but I am yet to see multiple users of 210-Pro as probably they end up buying the 220-Pro.
Coming back to your questions, I did not change 'a thing' in my setup except inserting 2 SD cards and allowing my 440-Pro to read the config files.
And yes, earlier, I was using only my Master since I have a single source which is streaming, hence the Ethernet input of the Master as my only input and No Trigger cable.
When I bought my Dual Mono in 2016 as D400 (Master & Companion), I initially started out with the stock RCA (sPDIF) - -> RCA (sPDIF) cable and few months later also tried the RCA (sPDIF) - -> AES/EBU XLR. I found that the RCA->AES to be much superior to my ears. Hence, I had Audioquest build me a RCA->AES cable that I currently still continue to use. In 2018, I had my D400 upgraded to 440-Pro CI and I continued to use them as a Master + Companion till 2 days back.
Upon configuring the SD cards as {Master-L + Master-R}, I listened to my setup and the next day, inserted my older {Master + Companion} cards and listened again. Immediately, the dense center fill lightened up and that vibrant energy very slightly receded backwards towards the Front-Wall. Once again, after 30 minutes, I reverted back to the {Master-L + Master-R} SD cards and immediately the sonics were more dense and bolder.
I am still listening to my "new config" setup and realise that I will stick to this and not the older {Master + Companion} setup.
Incidentally, I recall last year when I got an EMM Labs MA3 (Streamer+DAC+Preamp) with Bricasti M28 monoblock power amps for trial at home, the center fill was just like how it is now, i.e. with {Master-L + Master-R} config and I kept scratching my head as to why with other electronics, the presentation is different yet more realistic. I sincerely thank @daniel.avasilichioaei for showing the path to solve this crazy Devialet dilemma.
Thank you for the write up. I am tempted to try this too. Just to be sure, you didn’t change the way the speaker cables need to attached to the double mono setup either? I fear breaking my speakers if I do things wrong.
RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - daniel.avasilichioaei - 16-Jul-2022
(16-Jul-2022, 01:54)kerkhoffd Wrote: (12-Jul-2022, 23:49)daniel.avasilichioaei Wrote: Devialet has not suggested doing this because this is a workaround, which should not have been necessary, as the configurator should have worked 100% well.
Trigger cable is not required; this is useful when using a real companion. The only cable required is RCA_OUT - RCA_IN or RCA_OUT - AES / EBU.
File comparison:
- The MASTER file is not changed at all.
- The COMPANION file (second master in workaround) is completely changed. Basically, it is identical to the one from MASTER, but with a different audio channel (left/right) and another audio input.
(13-Jul-2022, 08:32)audio_engr Wrote: (12-Jul-2022, 21:49)mdconnelly Wrote: The fact that there is any sonic change is remarkable and makes one wonder why Devialet has not suggested doing this or even acknowledged that it as a viable option. I will definitely give it a try sometime soon.
@audio_engr - in doing this, did you change anything else? Were you only using the master previously as input? Using a trigger cable?
Did you change anything with the way the link cable is configured? Did you do a compare of the before/after config files to see what exactly changed? Just being curious while scratching my head as to the differences.
It is indeed a great pity that this sort of an issue ONLY affect the top two most expensive Experts in Devialet's lineup. It also affects 210-Pro but I am yet to see multiple users of 210-Pro as probably they end up buying the 220-Pro.
Coming back to your questions, I did not change 'a thing' in my setup except inserting 2 SD cards and allowing my 440-Pro to read the config files.
And yes, earlier, I was using only my Master since I have a single source which is streaming, hence the Ethernet input of the Master as my only input and No Trigger cable.
When I bought my Dual Mono in 2016 as D400 (Master & Companion), I initially started out with the stock RCA (sPDIF) - -> RCA (sPDIF) cable and few months later also tried the RCA (sPDIF) - -> AES/EBU XLR. I found that the RCA->AES to be much superior to my ears. Hence, I had Audioquest build me a RCA->AES cable that I currently still continue to use. In 2018, I had my D400 upgraded to 440-Pro CI and I continued to use them as a Master + Companion till 2 days back.
Upon configuring the SD cards as {Master-L + Master-R}, I listened to my setup and the next day, inserted my older {Master + Companion} cards and listened again. Immediately, the dense center fill lightened up and that vibrant energy very slightly receded backwards towards the Front-Wall. Once again, after 30 minutes, I reverted back to the {Master-L + Master-R} SD cards and immediately the sonics were more dense and bolder.
I am still listening to my "new config" setup and realise that I will stick to this and not the older {Master + Companion} setup.
Incidentally, I recall last year when I got an EMM Labs MA3 (Streamer+DAC+Preamp) with Bricasti M28 monoblock power amps for trial at home, the center fill was just like how it is now, i.e. with {Master-L + Master-R} config and I kept scratching my head as to why with other electronics, the presentation is different yet more realistic. I sincerely thank @daniel.avasilichioaei for showing the path to solve this crazy Devialet dilemma.
Thank you for the write up. I am tempted to try this too. Just to be sure, you didn’t change the way the speaker cables need to attached to the double mono setup either? I fear breaking my speakers if I do things wrong.
The workaround has nothing to do with speaker cables: you don't have to change anything here.
If you are already using dual-mono without a trigger, then the easiest and safest way to apply the workaround is as described in post #26 ([url=https://devialetchat.com/Thread-Stereonet-Devialet-Article?pid=106420][/url]https://devialetchat.com/Thread-Stereonet-Devialet-Article?pid=106420#pid106420):
- The MASTER file is the same.
- For COMPANION file, just edit the MASTER configuration and change audio channel (left / right) and audio input (and name, if you want).
RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - mdconnelly - 24-Jul-2022
@audio_engr - How are you configuring your RCA - XLR link in the Master-L/Master-R configurations? Are you just setting the XLR as an audio input in the Master of the Master-R configuration so that your Master-L config ink connection is the RCA and the Master-R config link connection is the XLR? This has me a bit confused because it doesn't appear you can configure a Master-Companion with the XLR connection on the Master. I must be missing something.
Any insight is appreciated. Thanks.
RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - daniel.avasilichioaei - 24-Jul-2022
(24-Jul-2022, 17:53)mdconnelly Wrote: @audio_engr - How are you configuring your RCA - XLR link in the Master-L/Master-R configurations? Are you just setting the XLR as an audio input in the Master of the Master-R configuration so that your Master-L config ink connection is the RCA and the Master-R config link connection is the XLR? This has me a bit confused because it doesn't appear you can configure a Master-Companion with the XLR connection on the Master. I must be missing something.
Any insight is appreciated. Thanks.
"Are you just setting the XLR as an audio input in the Master of the Master-R configuration so that your Master-L config ink connection is the RCA and the Master-R config link connection is the XLR?"
Answer: Yes.
In configurator, you can edit again the master from the "Master-L" configuration and perform these actions (on master unit):
- Rename the master from "Master-L" to Master-R".
- Change the speaker from left to right.
- Turn off all audio inputs, and turn on XLR input only.
- Save the configuration file.
RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - markush - 24-Jul-2022
Is it possible to use in this configuration also the Expert in a AV setup for the stereo channels? Meaning line-in?
And has anyone got feedback from support what is going wrong here Software side/ in the online configurator? Seems there is a lot of potential, performance missing resp. to be exploited.
RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - daniel.avasilichioaei - 24-Jul-2022
(24-Jul-2022, 20:45)markush Wrote: Is it possible to use in this configuration also the Expert in a AV setup for the stereo channels? Meaning line-in?
And has anyone got feedback from support what is going wrong here Software side/ in the online configurator? Seems there is a lot of potential, performance missing resp. to be exploited.
Yes, you can use this master-master configuration just as you use the normal master-companion configuration. The only limitation is that you cannot use the audio inputs from the "companion".
So, you can use any audio input from the "master", including line-in.
RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - Vivialet - 25-Jul-2022
one hint: you should not use "save volume". This sets only the volume on the master-master, not on the slave-master if you change the source.
You can also not use the pass-through mode as this disables the digital-out.
RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - daniel.avasilichioaei - 25-Jul-2022
(25-Jul-2022, 08:16)Vivialet Wrote: one hint: you should not use "save volume". This sets only the volume on the master-master, not on the slave-master if you change the source.
You can also not use the pass-through mode as this disables the digital-out.
Except for the audio input, speaker (left/right) and configuration name, all settings mus be identical on master-master ans master-slave.
RE: Stereonet Devialet Article - audio_engr - 25-Jul-2022
Here's a quick feedback after having used my Dual mono as MASTER-L (Left ch) and MASTER-R (Right ch) for almost 2 weeks.
- The Center fill area of the soundstage is so much more denser with more info.
- The Temperatures of Class-A, Class-D & Power Supply for both Master-L and Master-R and now identical. This never happened earlier.
- Have had NO issues in operating the Dual mono with this config.
Thx to @daniel.avasilichioaei for making this happen!
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