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(08-Jun-2014, 17:33)f1eng Wrote: I have to admit that I am a cable sceptic.
I used to be convinced I could hear the difference between cables but when I started considering paying a very large sum on some speaker cables I decided to do a test at home.
Back then I had a Spectral DMA180 amp driving Sonus Faber Extremas.
To cut a long story short the only speaker cables which sounded different in a level matched test were those with filters in line, such as MIT, Transparent and Goldmund. The rest all ended up sounding the same, regardless of what I thought before.
Nowadays I just use technically sound cables with good quality connections, since the connector is a potential source of small contact area and poor conductivity.
I have saved a fortune since :-)
I found much the same with interconnects.
I seriously wish I shared your experience. Much to my dismay, I've found that cables make all the difference. High-end audio was just what I read about in magazines until I switched to my current cables. Before then, I couldn't hear any of the details people were talking about. I had no idea what soundstage really meant and thought it was something only experts like my dealer could hear.
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(08-Jun-2014, 17:33)f1eng Wrote: I have to admit that I am a cable sceptic. I used to be convinced I could hear the difference between cables but when I started considering paying a very large sum on some speaker cables I decided to do a test at home (...) To cut a long story short the only speaker cables which sounded different in a level matched test were those with filters in line, such as MIT, Transparent and Goldmund. The rest all ended up sounding the same, regardless of what I thought before (...) I have saved a fortune since :-) I found much the same with interconnects. Totally agreement from my side! We also tested different cables in a price range from a few bugs up to some hundreds per meter with a D-Premier and found absolutely no significant differences in sound quality at all. The sound changes with using DRC and/or some well dosed absorbers (by the way for a fraction of the money) was convincing much more.
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IMHO Devialet is a gear that is very very transparent being very natural sounding. So with Devialet we need just good quality copper cables. Some or even majority of expensive cables are ,,changing" sound. They offer extra bass or extra sweetness and so on.... Devialet doesn't need this kind of extra Sth. So we can use just high quality copper cables. I like cables made with OCC copper.
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Each to hes own  i did choose the Kubala Sosna Emotion because i did like them and their presentation of the music with the Devialet
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Yes, I invested almost £20 in my speaker cables (including postage).
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I'm also a skeptic of audiophile speaker cables. They make a difference but the differences are significantly smaller than the difference a change in amplifiers can make, and the difference between two amplifiers of similar power is already pretty small in the grand scheme of things. Speaker placement, room treatments, and the speakers themselves make the biggest difference by far.
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(13-Jun-2014, 00:18)pete86 Wrote: I'm also a skeptic of audiophile speaker cables. They make a difference but the differences are significantly smaller than the difference a change in amplifiers can make, and the difference between two amplifiers of similar power is already pretty small in the grand scheme of things. Speaker placement, room treatments, and the speakers themselves make the biggest difference by far.
In my experience speaker cables do matter.
I've tried Chord Odyssey, Chord Epic (with my previous Naim system), Kimber TC 8 and Kimber Monocle and Monocle XL (with Devialet).
Some cables can make (Monocle xl) or break a system (TC 8), others only bring subtle changes.
All cables in a system matter, not only speaker cables.
Even changing the powerline on my NAS has an impact on the sound.
You don't have to take my word on it, but do try it out for yourself, you will be amazed.
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Just bought some Viard Audio Design (French) Silver HD20 speaker cables for my Devialet 200. They are a huge upgrade from a rather inexpensive pair of cables I had been using. I have also ordered the Viard Silver HD20 power cable. We'll see how that does in the mix. I am amazed that with my Devialet, Atohm GT1 Devialet "special edition" speakers and cables, I have an all-French system (excluding my Brit speaker stands). Never thought that would happen! Since I am American expat living in France, I can blame it all on the daily trek by a French audio store. I kept seeing what I thought was a mirror on the wall in the store until one day I realized it was... a Devialet. 
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(19-Jun-2014, 19:32)Flashman Wrote: Just bought some Viard Audio Design (French) Silver HD20 speaker cables for my Devialet 200. They are a huge upgrade from a rather inexpensive pair of cables I had been using. I have also ordered the Viard Silver HD20 power cable. We'll see how that does in the mix. I am amazed that with my Devialet, Atohm GT1 Devialet "special edition" speakers and cables, I have an all-French system (excluding my Brit speaker stands). Never thought that would happen! Since I am American expat living in France, I can blame it all on the daily trek by a French audio store. I kept seeing what I thought was a mirror on the wall in the store until one day I realized it was... a Devialet.
I was considering trying Viard in my new system. I decided to get Audience Au24SE to try for some months and they're so far excellent. Still interested though in the Viard, so looking forward to more of your impressions as they settle in.
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Speaker cables are a tricky thing because they're dependent on the characteristics of the amp and the speakers, plus the tonal balance of the whole system. It would be lovely to figure what the optimum qualities of a cable for a given system would be. I supposed the same could be said for all cables in a system though. Sorry ... late night post-football-losing musings!
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