Phantom Gold doesn't support 192/24, surprising answer from support??

[KarlMarx]

I think Devialet has tried to clean up their web removing all references to 24/192 for Toslink. I fear 24/96 will be the new spec for Toslink. On Reactors too... maybe even new Expert amplifiers....

Anyone with Audirvana here? Is it stable with 24/192 material?

Audirvana over UPnP ethernet works perfectly for 24/192, I've had no issues and placebo or not, but since the update I think my golds sound better than ever

[ogs]

I think Devialet has tried to clean up their web removing all references to 24/192 for Toslink. I fear 24/96 will be the new spec for Toslink. On Reactors too... maybe even new Expert amplifiers....

Anyone with Audirvana here? Is it stable with 24/192 material?

Audirvana over UPnP ethernet works perfectly for 24/192, I've had no issues and placebo or not, but since the update I think my golds sound better than ever

Yeah, I wrote that long before the current limit of 48kHz was introduced for Phantoms. Now only the DAC is 24/96 (was 24/192), but everything is downsampled to 48kHz(who knows if 48kHz has been there always and 192kHz is just a mirage). I can easily believe that Phantoms sound better with the newest firmware. Someone within Devialet's design team has managed to improve sound quality of their devices. The Expert amps has had improved SQ as new firmwares came out. Not all versions were better than the previous, but the general trend has been improvement. I guess the same is the case for Phantoms.

[rsemedo]

Hi, I am a newcomer in this forum.
Devialet website seems being renewed these days and classic phantoms seems to be renamed as Phantom I and reactor as Phantom II. Some links does not work yet though.
The differences are said to be aesthetics (matte finish, Led behind the speakers for status or so) and "enhanced" internal electronics but without any word on what the enhancement is.
One positive move is that now RMS powers are stated instead of ridiculously stating PMPO powers (this was downright embarrassing, so a good change of presentation). Now Reactor 900 (new II 98 dB) is stated as 400 watt RMS and Reactor 600 (new II 95 dB)  is stated as 350 watt RMS. Interesting that they are closer in RMS power that matters, the difference of %50 more on PMPO is just %14.3 in RMS. So this is a very positive move from Devialet.

Also, Phantom II (old Reactor 900) seems to be Airplay 2 compatible now.

On the negative side, I understand that Phantoms do not support neither streaming  nor optical in as 24bit/192kHz (per speaker) anymore at all. Phantom II specs show that it's DAC is 24bit/96kHz. Other inputs are rated even lower in their website if I am not mistaken, this is  confusing me, here I copy-paste info :

Airplay 2
Spotify Connect
Bluetooth : A2DP and AVRCP profiles, AAC, SBC audio codecs
Roon Ready (Hi-Res: 24bits/48kHz)
UPnP Renderer (Hi-Res: 24bits/48kHz)
Analog/Optical jack input (Hi-Res: 24bits/48kHz)

see here: (go click product specifications towards below, it open specifications and also click features once you are there)  https://www.devialet.com/en-us/phantom-s...8db-white/ (This is for old Reactor 900 or new Phantom II 98 dB)

I was torn between a  Reactor pair versus KEF LS50w II (and I would prefer yet ELAC Navis ARB-51 with a good streamer DAC but it's not available where I live). I did not have a chance to audition any of these yet, relying on online info I deduct that KEF is a bit brighter, more airy and less bassy although more than enough in all areas, my real concern being reliability of the electronics, as it seems people with such complaints are more than the users of other brands such as Devialet. As to the reactors, low frequencies can not be argued, some said mids and highs are not just perfect, and  from what I hear from the online reviews and side by side comparisons they sounded a bit boxy to me in mids mostly. Actual listening may be much different indeed. I do not listen to club music or much electronica, but listen to rock but also jazz and instrumental and classic music so mids and highs are also important to me. However I am not a knitpicking audiophile so I am sure Reactors would satisfy me anyway.

What do you think about the specs of Phantom II above, are they all new and downrated from Reactors?
Or am I missing or misunderstanding something? Will I be able to play 24vit/192kHz files streaming or connecting a cable?
Is it possible that they enhanced mids and highs with some internal electronics upgrade?

Thank you

You're reading right... there's no more 24/192k on Devialet, max 24/48...and for the price I would careful look at the KEF's and Buchardt a500...

[quagga]

Thank you @rsemedo

Or maybe I should buy Reactor 900 pair from my dealer here who have the older versions?
Of course making sure they are the versions with its DAC and inputs supporting 192kHz because it seems that some latest Reactor 900 branded ones also have the current Phantom II specifications/limitations which is incredible how on earth Devialet could have sold such units while their web site were still declaring initial specs as 24bit/192kHz DAC and various such inputs. If I were one such buyer I would immediately take legal action.

I realized there are also some other threads on this topic and I am reading them with pure stupefaction. I may stay away from Devialet or maybe buy old version Reactor 900s and cut all relations with them, never updating any firmware etc.

[denis]

Another possibility is using the Phantom I in Direct optical mode bypassing any DOS2 feature (no UpnP, no remote control, no airplay, no BT, no multiroom etc).
It's becoming just an amplified speaker.
I assume the optical input will support at least 24/96kz maybe 192Khz.

You'll need then a streamer with optical output and a $10 optical splitter from amazon that will deliver two optical feed for the two Phantoms.
The Phantom web interface allow you to select the Direct optical mode and two define which speaker is going to play the left and right feed.

[quagga]

@denis , thank you, yes Devialet Operating System 2 (DOS 2) is up to 24bits/48kHz.
However it seems it's not possible even with your suggestion, unfortunately some new specs related to it are as follows:
DAC: 24bits / 96kHz
Analog/Optical jack input (Hi-Res: 24bits/48kHz)

And I was considering Phantoms because I would like to run them all wireless (but a lot of people mentions signal drop problems too, to add fuel to the flames) .

[DesertEagleAZ]

I'm running a pair of Golds and a pair of Reactor 600s (Phantom II 95dB ) together with four Raspberry Pi endpoints with Roon and don't have ANY issues. In fact, everything sounds absolutely wonderful and way better than what AirPlay provided before. I'm super happy and can easily overlook the downsampling for some songs that get streamed from Qobuz.

[Johnnydev]

I have 2 phantom golds and last week i did the upgrade from Dos 1 to Dos 2

Dos 2 sounds better and no problems with tv via toslink, qobuz and internetradio via ethernet at all.

[streamy]

It’s good to also hear positive feedback reg. the 2.12.3 update. Often there is more feedback from those that experience problems, that’s also why forums are here, to solve issues.
I’m most curious if anybody could present higher than 24kHz signal coming out of a Phantom tweeter. This could then indicate that it is worth to use optical direct vs. any of the 24/48k signal paths.

[fabien44]

I have 2 phantom golds and last week i did the upgrade from Dos 1 to Dos 2

Dos 2 sounds better and no problems with tv via toslink, qobuz and internetradio via ethernet at all.

Better or different?
Pity that reverting to DOS1 is not possible to post your feedback after few weeks with DOS2.