Hi all
Just been excited to find out that my speakers (Kudos C2) have been SAMed. Updated the configuration, set the SAM to 100%, set my remote mute button to SAM on/off, listened and ....... Can't hear any difference with SAM on or off...
Tried varying music, some very bass heavy tracks but still cannot detect a difference. Am I doing something wrong?
(03-Aug-2015, 10:42)Jgw911 Wrote: [ -> ]Hi all
Just been excited to find out that my speakers (Kudos C2) have been SAMed. Updated the configuration, set the SAM to 100%, set my remote mute button to SAM on/off, listened and ....... Can't hear any difference with SAM on or off...
Tried varying music, some very bass heavy tracks but still cannot detect a difference. Am I doing something wrong?
Looking at the specifications and type of your speakers, they are quite similar to mine. They were going already down to 34 Hz (mine were 33.4) and with SAM yours are now doing down to 21 Hz (mine are 20 Hz). Both are two ways floor standing with a similar sized mid/woofer.
Did you try switching it on and off while playing?
On my speakers, the change is subtle and definitively not a bass boost. Even in some circumstances, it has slightly reduced the impression of bass by removing some resonance that were artificially bloating them.
But if you are listening to a pipe organ piece with 16 feet pipes you should definitely hear a difference.
Also on a different musical style, something like Partition from Beyonce or Limit to your Love from James Blake are good songs to check the difference with and without SAM. (Be careful without SAM while playing limit to your love. There are infra basses that without the protection of SAM could damage your speakers if you listen at too high a volume....)
(03-Aug-2015, 11:10)Jean-Marie Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at the specifications and type of your speakers, they are quite similar to mine. They were going already down to 34 Hz (mine were 33.4) and with SAM yours are now doing down to 21 Hz (mine are 20 Hz). Both are two ways floor standing with a similar sized mid/woofer.
Did you try switching it on and off while playing?
On my speakers, the change is subtle and definitively not a bass boost. Even in some circumstances, it has slightly reduced the impression of bass by removing some resonance that were artificially bloating them.
But if you are listening to a pipe organ piece with 16 feet pipes you should definitely hear a difference.
Also on a different musical style, something like Partition from Beyonce or Limit to your Love from James Blake are good songs to check the difference with and without SAM. (Be careful without SAM while playing limit to your love. There are infra basses that without the protection of SAM could damage your speakers if you listen at too high a volume....)
Thanks Jean-Marie
I can hear the lower bass extension with SAM on that James Blake track. Guess there isn't much music that goes below 34HZ to notice any difference. I guess I was just expecting that SAM would make a difference to the quality of Bass across a range sub 200HZ but I'm not really hearing that. I am trying to switch SAM on and off as the tracks are playing. Maybe SAM just doesn't do that much with my particular speakers...
(03-Aug-2015, 12:43)Jgw911 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-Aug-2015, 11:10)Jean-Marie Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at the specifications and type of your speakers, they are quite similar to mine. They were going already down to 34 Hz (mine were 33.4) and with SAM yours are now doing down to 21 Hz (mine are 20 Hz). Both are two ways floor standing with a similar sized mid/woofer.
Did you try switching it on and off while playing?
On my speakers, the change is subtle and definitively not a bass boost. Even in some circumstances, it has slightly reduced the impression of bass by removing some resonance that were artificially bloating them.
But if you are listening to a pipe organ piece with 16 feet pipes you should definitely hear a difference.
Also on a different musical style, something like Partition from Beyonce or Limit to your Love from James Blake are good songs to check the difference with and without SAM. (Be careful without SAM while playing limit to your love. There are infra basses that without the protection of SAM could damage your speakers if you listen at too high a volume....)
Thanks Jean-Marie
I can hear the lower bass extension with SAM on that James Blake track. Guess there isn't much music that goes below 34HZ to notice any difference. I guess I was just expecting that SAM would make a difference to the quality of Bass across a range sub 200HZ but I'm not really hearing that. I am trying to switch SAM on and off as the tracks are playing. Maybe SAM just doesn't do that much with my particular speakers...
well SAM only works below 150 Hz I believe in terms of extensions. On the other hand it also equalizes the phase across the whole spectrum.
Again it depends on the speaker and how it was before. according the the graph or your speakers and mine before SAM they were already very good, therefore the improvement of SAM is more marginal than with speakers where the original graph is less accurate.
This being said, mine were amongst the 1st to be SAMed and therefore I have been enjoying SAM for quite some time now. Passed the initial moments where you are really trying to see/show off SAM, you will enjoy its subtle effect and it will be impossible to revert....
Happy listening,
Jean-Marie
Good points Jean-Marie!
Whilst I might be a little disappointed initially with SAM I'm not at all disappointed with the D200. It's still running in at the moment but sounding better everyday!
Just looked up your speakers out of interest. They look really nice and bet they sound great too! Not sure if we can buy those in the UK - I hadn't seen them before.
All the best
Jonathan
(03-Aug-2015, 14:30)Jgw911 Wrote: [ -> ]Good points Jean-Marie!
Whilst I might be a little disappointed initially with SAM I'm not at all disappointed with the D200. It's still running in at the moment but sounding better everyday!
Just looked up your speakers out of interest. They look really nice and bet they sound great too! Not sure if we can buy those in the UK - I hadn't seen them before.
All the best
Jonathan
Thank you. Yes they sound very nicely. I have no idea if they are distributed in the UK. This is a french brand owned by
Christian Yvon one of the two designers of the infamous Goldmund Dialogue, Apologue and Epilogue.
I like very much is philosophy that the ultimate goal for a component of a system is not to add anything of its own.
Cheers,
Jean-Marie
PS: I discovered the brand at my dealer, during a Devialet day, where he had paired the Devialet D-Premier at the time with the whole range of AperturA, and I can tell you that it was a very very nice matching.....
Hi Jonathan,
I also have a pair of Kudos, albeit the standmount model and have been waiting impatiently to try SAM with them.
Cheers
(03-Aug-2015, 21:12)Ants Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Jonathan,
I also have a pair of Kudos, albeit the standmount model and have been waiting impatiently to try SAM with them.
Cheers
Ah yes, Super 10s - very nice!
Was quite tempted by a pair of the floor standing versions of those when I had Naim stuff but thought Devialet might not suit them when I decided to jump ship. Then I saw your post about Kudos SAM profiles coming out, which might make me rethink!
Hopefully not long now before they cover the Super series models...
SAM with my speakers is quite subtle. However, I agree with much of what Jean-Marie has written, I think you may need to give SAM some time. With a bit more listening you might start to notice things, an improvement in soundstage, plus the bass with some music can gain a kind of 3D stereo effect. On occasion, the improvement can be quite extraordinary.
On the other hand....... There have been a few issues with SAM 2 recently, issues unique to individual SAM profiles, so maybe it's simply not working! It's not entirely impossible.
(03-Aug-2015, 21:42)Jgw911 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-Aug-2015, 21:12)Ants Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Jonathan,
I also have a pair of Kudos, albeit the standmount model and have been waiting impatiently to try SAM with them.
Cheers
Ah yes, Super 10s - very nice!
Was quite tempted by a pair of the floor standing versions of those when I had Naim stuff but thought Devialet might not suit them when I decided to jump ship. Then I saw your post about Kudos SAM profiles coming out, which might make me rethink!
Hopefully not long now before they cover the Super series models...
I hope so as well just to compare.. These are my third pair of Kudos in the last 4 years. Traded in some Neats and got a used pair X2, then upgraded to another pair of pre-loved C2 and now living with the Super 10. I am also tempted to move up to Super 20's as I hear a pair for sale that are calling my name...
Like yourself, I also had Naim gear prior to making the jump to Devialet.