(28-Aug-2015, 07:58)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 01:17)hk6230 Wrote: [ -> ]FYI, I have nothing playing (running) on my NUC beside RoonServer with AIR-ETH on. I'm not using any anti-virus software on my NUC, too. I control my Roon via my Win Tablet. Come to think of it, I should turn off auto-update on Win10, too.
Rarely, but it happens, AIR may stutters (hesitating). All I need to do is just cycle through my source (pressing the source button on Devialet remote) back to AIR-ETH and issue solved. As I said, this is very rare.
Just like to share my experience and hopefully, you guys can find a solution to your AIR problem.
Excellent post HK! It is always good to read about peoples solutions, rather than always about the problems. The cycling through the sources is an interesting tip, I always tend to start / restart AIR, but I guess cycling through the sources does exactly the same thing, although I guess you need to set AIR to automatically stream.
I did have a slightly crazy idea the other day, which was to get a NUC with Windows 10, together with a wireless touch screen monitor. This would give me a dedicated music playing machine, with a full size touch screen display that could be positioned anywhere. Yes, I know I could use it "headless" with an iPad or similar, but I like the idea of having the full size display with touch screen. Does anyone know if this is possible? I don't see why not, but there might be a subtlety that I' missed?
Yes, I have set to "Always stream to it automatically”.
As for your goal of a full size wireless monitor, this can be a bit tough. Key being the NUC needs power cabling, so not as portable as you may hope. I believe the largest Android tablet is 15.6-inch. Maybe this may serve your need. But, having too large a screen size will definitely too heavy to carry it around for long period of time. I still think a 10' or smaller tablet (IOS/Android/Win) will be an ideal remote.
(28-Aug-2015, 08:39)hk6230 Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 07:58)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 01:17)hk6230 Wrote: [ -> ]FYI, I have nothing playing (running) on my NUC beside RoonServer with AIR-ETH on. I'm not using any anti-virus software on my NUC, too. I control my Roon via my Win Tablet. Come to think of it, I should turn off auto-update on Win10, too.
Rarely, but it happens, AIR may stutters (hesitating). All I need to do is just cycle through my source (pressing the source button on Devialet remote) back to AIR-ETH and issue solved. As I said, this is very rare.
Just like to share my experience and hopefully, you guys can find a solution to your AIR problem.
Excellent post HK! It is always good to read about peoples solutions, rather than always about the problems. The cycling through the sources is an interesting tip, I always tend to start / restart AIR, but I guess cycling through the sources does exactly the same thing, although I guess you need to set AIR to automatically stream.
I did have a slightly crazy idea the other day, which was to get a NUC with Windows 10, together with a wireless touch screen monitor. This would give me a dedicated music playing machine, with a full size touch screen display that could be positioned anywhere. Yes, I know I could use it "headless" with an iPad or similar, but I like the idea of having the full size display with touch screen. Does anyone know if this is possible? I don't see why not, but there might be a subtlety that I' missed?
Yes, I have set to "Always stream to it automatically”.
As for your goal of a full size wireless monitor, this can be a bit tough. Key being the NUC needs power cabling, so not as portable as you may hope. I believe the largest Android tablet is 15.6-inch. Maybe this may serve your need. But, having too large a screen size will definitely too heavy to carry it around for long period of time. I still think a 10' or smaller tablet (IOS/Android/Win) will be an ideal remote.
I'm not sure if I understand your comment correctly? The NUC would be on a rack, mains powered, hard wired to an Ethernet network. The monitor too would be mains powered, but "connected" wirelessly to the NUC. Impossible?
well Confused.. i use a 27 inch monitor so when you say you want a "full size display" are you talking something that size?
do they even exist???
(28-Aug-2015, 09:42)completeluxury Wrote: [ -> ]well Confused.. i use a 27 inch monitor so when you say you want a "full size display" are you talking something that size?
do they even exist???
They exist. How well do they work? I haven't got a clue! Size isn't that important, something smaller than 27" would be fine.
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing/...28095448:s
After having read (and pondered) the very useful posts in this thread, I'm starting to think that Windows 10 does not so much "fix" the AIR problems, as - being a more efficient operating system - plays better with AIR out of the box. In other words, you get more room with Windows 10, before AIR exhibits problems.
That being said, the most important thing is probably to tune the music PC (provided it has a sufficient processing capacity). This tuning may include:
disabling AV
disabling automatic Windows Updates (not just installing them but even checking for them)
turning off screen saver
setting minimum processor power to a higher setting than the Balanced Plan defaults to, or, if worse comes to worst, using the High Power plan.
I'm still on Windows 7, and after over a month of trouble free streaming, I for the 1st time encountered WN with AIR beta-4. When that happened, I noticed the PC screen saver woke up, which confirms @Confused's observations about needing to disable screen saver for stability. To be safe (even though it probably sounds like the very antipode of safety), I also disabled auto Windows Updates checks (I'll run them myself when I feel suitable).
If this does not work, I agree that a NUC with Windows 10 or another small dedicated PC is the way to go (or a MAC Mini, for that matter). And if you still get WN, change the connection from that computer from Ethernet to USB - it'll still sound fine.
Let me also share my experience with Auralic Aries. I got so frustrated after the last WN incident that I immediately loaned Aries from my dealer for a trial, seriously thinking of buying it. In a nutshell, the device sounds just fine, giving one the same SQ as AIR. However, I found the control point (Lightning DS) significantly inferior to JRemote with JRiver. There is simply no comparison. I tried to use JRiver as a UPNP music server and a control point, but while that worked in general, I was not able to solve some irritating issues.
This made me realize that I have to stay to JRiver and JRemote, as there are currently no products better (Foobar and MonkeyMote come close though, from a functional point of view). I'd like to stick to AIR, buggy though it still is. And if need be, I'll get a NUC or MAC mini and switch to USB (which based on my impressions of streaming from Aries to Devialet over that input should sound just as fine). But I'll stream from a computer with JRiver on it. No dedicated network players for me.
(28-Aug-2015, 09:39)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 08:39)hk6230 Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 07:58)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 01:17)hk6230 Wrote: [ -> ]FYI, I have nothing playing (running) on my NUC beside RoonServer with AIR-ETH on. I'm not using any anti-virus software on my NUC, too. I control my Roon via my Win Tablet. Come to think of it, I should turn off auto-update on Win10, too.
Rarely, but it happens, AIR may stutters (hesitating). All I need to do is just cycle through my source (pressing the source button on Devialet remote) back to AIR-ETH and issue solved. As I said, this is very rare.
Just like to share my experience and hopefully, you guys can find a solution to your AIR problem.
Excellent post HK! It is always good to read about peoples solutions, rather than always about the problems. The cycling through the sources is an interesting tip, I always tend to start / restart AIR, but I guess cycling through the sources does exactly the same thing, although I guess you need to set AIR to automatically stream.
I did have a slightly crazy idea the other day, which was to get a NUC with Windows 10, together with a wireless touch screen monitor. This would give me a dedicated music playing machine, with a full size touch screen display that could be positioned anywhere. Yes, I know I could use it "headless" with an iPad or similar, but I like the idea of having the full size display with touch screen. Does anyone know if this is possible? I don't see why not, but there might be a subtlety that I' missed?
Yes, I have set to "Always stream to it automatically”.
As for your goal of a full size wireless monitor, this can be a bit tough. Key being the NUC needs power cabling, so not as portable as you may hope. I believe the largest Android tablet is 15.6-inch. Maybe this may serve your need. But, having too large a screen size will definitely too heavy to carry it around for long period of time. I still think a 10' or smaller tablet (IOS/Android/Win) will be an ideal remote.
I'm not sure if I understand your comment correctly? The NUC would be on a rack, mains powered, hard wired to an Ethernet network. The monitor too would be mains powered, but "connected" wirelessly to the NUC. Impossible?
Ah, I understand now.
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(28-Aug-2015, 15:46)AlexS Wrote: [ -> ]After having read (and pondered) the very useful posts in this thread, I'm starting to think that Windows 10 does not so much "fix" the AIR problems, as - being a more efficient operating system - plays better with AIR out of the box. In other words, you get more room with Windows 10, before AIR exhibits problems.
That being said, the most important thing is probably to tune the music PC (provided it has a sufficient processing capacity). This tuning may include:
disabling AV
disabling automatic Windows Updates (not just installing them but even checking for them)
turning off screen saver
setting minimum processor power to a higher setting than the Balanced Plan defaults to, or, if worse comes to worst, using the High Power plan.
I'm still on Windows 7, and after over a month of trouble free streaming, I for the 1st time encountered WN with AIR beta-4. When that happened, I noticed the PC screen saver woke up, which confirms @Confused's observations about needing to disable screen saver for stability. To be safe (even though it probably sounds like the very antipode of safety), I also disabled auto Windows Updates checks (I'll run them myself when I feel suitable).
If this does not work, I agree that a NUC with Windows 10 or another small dedicated PC is the way to go (or a MAC Mini, for that matter). And if you still get WN, change the connection from that computer from Ethernet to USB - it'll still sound fine.
Let me also share my experience with Auralic Aries. I got so frustrated after the last WN incident that I immediately loaned Aries from my dealer for a trial, seriously thinking of buying it. In a nutshell, the device sounds just fine, giving one the same SQ as AIR. However, I found the control point (Lightning DS) significantly inferior to JRemote with JRiver. There is simply no comparison. I tried to use JRiver as a UPNP music server and a control point, but while that worked in general, I was not able to solve some irritating issues.
This made me realize that I have to stay to JRiver and JRemote, as there are currently no products better (Foobar and MonkeyMote come close though, from a functional point of view). I'd like to stick to AIR, buggy though it still is. And if need be, I'll get a NUC or MAC mini and switch to USB (which based on my impressions of streaming from Aries to Devialet over that input should sound just as fine). But I'll stream from a computer with JRiver on it. No dedicated network players for me.
Great post and very useful for me as I have been thinking about a network player as a temporary measure. I use Jriver too and love the app.
(28-Aug-2015, 17:06)hk6230 Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 09:39)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 08:39)hk6230 Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 07:58)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Aug-2015, 01:17)hk6230 Wrote: [ -> ]FYI, I have nothing playing (running) on my NUC beside RoonServer with AIR-ETH on. I'm not using any anti-virus software on my NUC, too. I control my Roon via my Win Tablet. Come to think of it, I should turn off auto-update on Win10, too.
Rarely, but it happens, AIR may stutters (hesitating). All I need to do is just cycle through my source (pressing the source button on Devialet remote) back to AIR-ETH and issue solved. As I said, this is very rare.
Just like to share my experience and hopefully, you guys can find a solution to your AIR problem.
Excellent post HK! It is always good to read about peoples solutions, rather than always about the problems. The cycling through the sources is an interesting tip, I always tend to start / restart AIR, but I guess cycling through the sources does exactly the same thing, although I guess you need to set AIR to automatically stream.
I did have a slightly crazy idea the other day, which was to get a NUC with Windows 10, together with a wireless touch screen monitor. This would give me a dedicated music playing machine, with a full size touch screen display that could be positioned anywhere. Yes, I know I could use it "headless" with an iPad or similar, but I like the idea of having the full size display with touch screen. Does anyone know if this is possible? I don't see why not, but there might be a subtlety that I' missed?
Yes, I have set to "Always stream to it automatically”.
As for your goal of a full size wireless monitor, this can be a bit tough. Key being the NUC needs power cabling, so not as portable as you may hope. I believe the largest Android tablet is 15.6-inch. Maybe this may serve your need. But, having too large a screen size will definitely too heavy to carry it around for long period of time. I still think a 10' or smaller tablet (IOS/Android/Win) will be an ideal remote.
I'm not sure if I understand your comment correctly? The NUC would be on a rack, mains powered, hard wired to an Ethernet network. The monitor too would be mains powered, but "connected" wirelessly to the NUC. Impossible?
Ah, I understand now.
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Excellent! But do any of the IT savvy folk on here know if it will work? I'm sure I've missed something?
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Confused, you would control JRiver running on the NUC with the JRremote app on your iPad (if you don't have one, get it
If you need to remote to the NUC itself (e.g. to restart JRiver, or to install/update software on the NUC), you can use the VNC program running on your main PC and the NUC. That is, you could remote to the NUC from your main PC. VNC can also be installed on the iPad, so you can control the NUC from the iPad as well.
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Confused one way that may work is to use a HDMI wireless transmitter/receiver device for your monitor and NUC. I'm using such a device for my set top media box and my projector and works, so I believe it will work on your needs too.
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