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I have the flu, so i cannot give an opinion.

Untill now qobuz sounds the best for me



What are the experiencenses at this moment?

qobuz sounds definitely best by now but...
with the new spotify connect upgrade I now have gapless tracks on spotify, plus radio, plus good interface with all comforts. Spotify Album Infos also show directly in Spark. For my wife, the new upgrade was a relief. For myself I wish for the future a "qobuz connect", since Spark still crashes now an then while "surfing" qobuz. I had a Tidal trial too, but the Spark stability was even worse.

(08-Feb-2016, 11:27)PVince_JP Wrote: [ -> ]qobuz sounds definitely best by now but...
with the new spotify connect upgrade I now have gapless tracks on spotify, plus radio, plus good interface with all comforts. Spotify Album Infos also show directly in Spark. For my wife, the new upgrade was a relief. For myself I wish for the future a "qobuz connect", since Spark still crashes now an then while "surfing" qobuz. I had a Tidal trial too, but the Spark stability was even worse.

I have totally no crashes wit spark!

Any "lossless" CD streaming service will sound the same. Both advertise they do absolutely no processing to the lossless stream. So Qobuz and Tidal at their higher level price options will sound no different to each other. Spotify doesn't do lossless yet and I don't believe Deezer does either...so they will be inferior.

I believe Tidal has a substantially bigger music selection than Qobuz. But Qobuz gives the option of buying hi-res downloads at extra cost. With Qobuz you can also stream your hi-res purchases if you have purchased a whole year of subscription in one lump sum, but this seems a bit pointless/irrelevant for Phantom as you will have the music on a PC or NAS anyway.

(08-Feb-2016, 11:30)Johnnydev Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-Feb-2016, 11:27)PVince_JP Wrote: [ -> ]qobuz sounds definitely best by now but...
with the new spotify connect upgrade I now have gapless tracks on spotify, plus radio, plus good interface with all comforts. Spotify Album Infos also show directly in Spark. For my wife, the new upgrade was a relief. For myself I wish for the future a "qobuz connect", since Spark still crashes now an then while "surfing" qobuz. I had a Tidal trial too, but the Spark stability was even worse.

I have totally no crashes wit spark!

I'm using Spark mostly on iPad and Android Nexus. Apps seem to be not as stable as "programs". Spark on Windows doesn't crashes but the resolution on my Surface2 is completely inadequate and make it almost useless...
But about gapless tracks: why does spotify succeeds to feed my phantoms gapless and qobuz not? Is qobuz or Spark to blame? Makes the higher amount of data more difficult to have gapless tracks? It "hurts" to listen to "The Wall" with this few seconds hanging....

(08-Feb-2016, 11:31)jonstatt Wrote: [ -> ]Any "lossless" CD streaming service will sound the same. Both advertise they do absolutely no processing to the lossless stream. So Qobuz and Tidal at their higher level price options will sound no different to each other. Spotify doesn't do lossless yet and  I don't believe Deezer does either...so they will be inferior.

Should be but isn't. When listening to the same tracks streamed lossless Qobuz has a significantly better resolution. In fact I can't listen to sonically difficult material over Tidal. It simply isn't fun.

(08-Feb-2016, 12:08)Chillin Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-Feb-2016, 11:31)jonstatt Wrote: [ -> ]Any "lossless" CD streaming service will sound the same. Both advertise they do absolutely no processing to the lossless stream. So Qobuz and Tidal at their higher level price options will sound no different to each other. Spotify doesn't do lossless yet and  I don't believe Deezer does either...so they will be inferior.

Should be but isn't. When listening to the same tracks streamed lossless Qobuz has a significantly better resolution. In fact I can't listen to sonically difficult material over Tidal. It simply isn't fun.

Interesting. I did compare myself using IEMs on my Sony NW-ZX2 DAP and couldn't hear a difference in quality although for some reason there was a slight difference in volume. However sometimes Tidal delivers a compressed version of the track instead of the lossless version and unless you check for it, you don't notice. I wonder if this is what was happening to you.

Incidentally, I did notice that in Spark, an option for Qobuz streaming quality is Hi-res. Currently Qobuz sublime customers can use this for hi-res purchases they have previously made. Has anyone confirmed that the hi-res streaming actually works? As I mentioned earlier, I am not sure what the value is considering users will likely have all their hi-res collection permanently attached to Spark in some way anyway, but was just curious on this purely as one of the first examples of streaming devices supporting hi-res streaming formats.

(08-Feb-2016, 12:35)jonstatt Wrote: [ -> ]Incidentally, I did notice that in Spark, an option for Qobuz streaming quality is Hi-res. Currently Qobuz sublime customers can use this for hi-res purchases they have previously made. Has anyone confirmed that the hi-res streaming actually works? As I mentioned earlier, I am not sure what the value is considering users will likely have all their hi-res collection permanently attached to Spark in some way anyway, but was just curious on this purely as one of the first examples of streaming devices supporting hi-res streaming formats.

Yes I can. Hires works and provides better quality, however not always and not reliably. Sometimes, often on weekends I experience dropouts when the streaming is set to hires. So lossless Flac is more reliable and set as default for now. I switch the setting in Spark to listen to hires in case Spark is not running on my Mac where I have my lossless albums stored. Another problem is that Spark only shows the last 50 purchases in the list. So no access to older purchases in Spark. Looks like Devialet programmers have only less than 50 purchased hires albums to test their implementation. Else hires is a great and leading edge service in the streaming world where lossless CD quality already counts as hi-end.
Regarding differences between Tidal and Qobuz: Many albums in Tidal are not Lossless but only MP3. You can see this in the Tidal app where the SQ and file format is indicated. Not in Spark: Here I can hear differences between Tidal and Qobuz, but mainly when Tidal has no lossless available and plays an MP3 instead. Then Qobuz is audibly better.

(09-Feb-2016, 00:11)streamy Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-Feb-2016, 12:35)jonstatt Wrote: [ -> ]Incidentally, I did notice that in Spark, an option for Qobuz streaming quality is Hi-res. Currently Qobuz sublime customers can use this for hi-res purchases they have previously made. Has anyone confirmed that the hi-res streaming actually works? As I mentioned earlier, I am not sure what the value is considering users will likely have all their hi-res collection permanently attached to Spark in some way anyway, but was just curious on this purely as one of the first examples of streaming devices supporting hi-res streaming formats.

Yes I can. Hires works and provides better quality, however not always and not reliably. Sometimes, often on weekends I experience dropouts when the streaming is set to hires. So lossless Flac is more reliable and set as default for now. I switch the setting in Spark to listen to hires in case Spark is not running on my Mac where I have my lossless albums stored. Another problem is that Spark only shows the last 50 purchases in the list. So no access to older purchases in Spark. Looks like Devialet programmers have only less than 50 purchased hires albums to test their implementation. Else hires is a great and leading edge service in the streaming world where lossless CD quality already counts as hi-end.
Regarding differences between Tidal and Qobuz: Many albums in Tidal are not Lossless but only MP3. You can see this in the Tidal app where the SQ and file format is indicated. Not in Spark: Here I can hear differences between Tidal and Qobuz, but mainly when Tidal has no lossless available and plays an MP3 instead. Then Qobuz is audibly better.

I have qobuz sublime and for me with Hi-res it sounds better than Tidal.
The settings in qobuz and in spark are both Hi-res and i have no dropouts.
My set up is wireless.