Hi all,
Since oct 2015 I’m the happy owner of a D200, enjoying the great virtues of this device.
However, I still have a nagging question.
The digitally connected Bluesound Node 2 doesn’t sound as well as the analogue connected Naim CD5 player.
Comparing the same music as CD track and ripped as FLAC file, the CD sounds more defined and detailed, has more air around the instruments and vocals.
My dealer’s explanation at the time was that the Bluesound is a relatively cheap device. You cannot expect too much from it.
Besides the medium some other variables could have an influence:
1. DAC
I’ve understood that the main variable would be the quality of the DAC.
The Bluesound is using the D200 DAC, while the Naim CD5 is using it’s own DAC. The Naim is from 2001 and doesn’t have a digital output.
So has this 15 year old Naim CD5 (their entry level player) a better DAC than the D200. It’s hard to believe.
2. Cable connection.
The Bluesound is connected with an Audioquest Forest Dig. Coax cable.
The Naim with a proprietary Naim DIN cable.
Isn’t the Audioquest cable good enough ?
Some more background info:
- It doesn’t make any difference in sound when the FLAC files are on the cable connected NAS or “directly” on an inserted USB stick.
- If the Bluesound is analog connected with the D200 the sound gets worse.
- The CD’s are ripped with EAC and Dbpoweramp.
Hope, you have some suggestions,
Ed
I don't have any experiences on Bluesound Node 2 or Naim CD5 player but I would like to ask that do you have a computer where you could try running Devialet AIR? You could then use your computer as a streamer instead of the Bluesound. It would be interesting to hear whether you like how it sounds.
What Petrik states is a solid advice and a good way to compare the BlueSound with what the DAC in the Devialet is capable of.
Next to that: source does matter and so does the cable you use. I use AudioQuest Diamond Digital cable and heard a stepup in SQ every time I switched cable in their Line up. I dare not listen to the next step up, as all money invested in these cables seem to matter.
(19-Jun-2017, 15:03)Lowland Wrote: [ -> ]1. DAC
I’ve understood that the main variable would be the quality of the DAC.
The Bluesound is using the D200 DAC, while the Naim CD5 is using it’s own DAC. The Naim is from 2001 and doesn’t have a digital output.
So has this 15 year old Naim CD5 (their entry level player) a better DAC than the D200. It’s hard to believe.
Firstly, welcome to the forum!
One point to note regarding the Devialet DAC. The DAC is integral to Devialet's 'ADH Core', so integral to the amplifier itself. So all the goodness you attribute to the Naim's DAC is in fact passing through (very transparently) the Devialet's DAC as well. Or in other words, if you feed the Devialet an analogue feed, the Devialet first converts this to digital to feed the Devialet's DAC / ADH core.
The suggestion by others to try Devialet AIR is a good one I think. Devialet AIR provides a very good level of sound quality and should provide an excellent baseline of what the amp is capable of.
(19-Jun-2017, 15:49)petrik Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have any experiences on Bluesound Node 2 or Naim CD5 player but I would like to ask that do you have a computer where you could try running Devialet AIR? You could then use your computer as a streamer instead of the Bluesound. It would be interesting to hear whether you like how it sounds.
Last year I've managed to get AIR working. Just for a test, because I had wifi problems with the Bluesound. I don't remember what the sound quality was. So I'll set it up again and let you know.
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What Petrik states is a solid advice and a good way to compare the BlueSound with what the DAC in the Devialet is capable of.
Next to that: source does matter and so does the cable you use. I use AudioQuest Diamond Digital cable and heard a stepup in SQ every time I switched cable in their Line up. I dare not listen to the next step up, as all money invested in these cables seem to matter.
You may be right. But I never was much interested into cables. My ears are not that good. The price of the Diamond (€899) gets out of balance with the price of the Bluesound (€ 549). Then I would also like to check what music a higher level streamer like the Aurilac Aries LE (€1099) is making.
Even though the Naim CD5 and the Bluesound are providing CD quality signals in technical/ numerical terms, the sound quality can still be affected by the equipment. The Bluesound is fine for what it is and what it does, but it is very likely not going to sound as good as the Naim CD5.
As a comparison, I recently changed my main source from a stock Sonos Connect to a Wyred4Sound modified Sonos Connect. The source music files are the same CD rips, or Deezer Elite FLAC tracks. The difference in sound quality between the stock Connect and the modified Connect is remarkable; the modified Connect is much better in terms of dynamics,clarity, ease, lack of 'grain'- everything that matters. So, the same sources with the same bits of math will sound different through different pieces of electronics. The AQ forest cable may also be a factor, though possibly not with the Bluesound.
Finally, I don't think that you can bypass the internal DAC in the Devialet, so any comparison is very difficult, or impossible. I don't think a CD 5 has a DAC in any event. Others know more about that than I do and there are other threads about DACs.
(19-Jun-2017, 17:59)Damon Wrote: [ -> ]. I don't think a CD 5 has a DAC in any event.
It does if its analogue out only....
(19-Jun-2017, 17:55)Lowland Wrote: [ -> ]kerkhoffd
What Petrik states is a solid advice and a good way to compare the BlueSound with what the DAC in the Devialet is capable of.
Next to that: source does matter and so does the cable you use. I use AudioQuest Diamond Digital cable and heard a stepup in SQ every time I switched cable in their Line up. I dare not listen to the next step up, as all money invested in these cables seem to matter.
You may be right. But I never was much interested into cables. My ears are not that good. The price of the Diamond (€899) gets out of balance with the price of the Bluesound (€ 549). Then I would also like to check what music a higher level streamer like the Aurilac Aries LE (€1099) is making.
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And right you are. I was just stating the differences are well audible. I always go by "source first". Cables and power are both something to think about when you want the final touches. And I agree: somewhere the balance between what you get for your Buck changes dramatically. Point was, that "all" you invest pays you back in SQ. For each to decide how far he/she goes and how much to invest in this hobby.
What a coincidence!
I can t encourage enough for AIR set thru ethernet!
I just bought this afternoon the latest cd of diana krall :turn up the quiet ;and decided to connect my old denon dvd 1930 thru optical to my dev200; via a cheap entry level analysis plus optical cable.
So i just compared the cd sq and the same thru roon and tidal via AIR .
Guess what? Air sound better, by far margin specially in the bass definition and control.
Her voice is more vivid and clear.
Again AIR is a winner here!
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I cannot compare with the NAIM, but due to stability problems with AIR, I tested out Bluesound Node (version1) which I was using with another setup, with my Devialet. I could not tell the difference, flipping between AIR and Bluesound, while listening to the same piece of music. I bought a Bluesound Node 2 to use with my Devialet - and also some Bluesound speakers for use in bedrooms etc. As well as resolving the issues I was having with AIR - I now have an integrated home audio system.
A little bit off topic - I did trial Roon, when they announced their integration with Bluesound. I (and others) had some problems with Roon not always discovering the Bluesound nodes and/or speakers. Does anyone know if this problem has been resolved - as I am prepared to give Roon another go if it has.