14-May-2018, 12:59
If anyone gets to hear the Grimm setup at Munich I’d love to hear your thoughts about the new music player. And about anything Grimm!
14-May-2018, 12:59
14-May-2018, 13:20
They are moving to one Ecosystem with Pro and Phantom and Spark will be the control app for all. That’s why they aren’t working on the Expert app.
14-May-2018, 13:54
They have to preserve the volume control / functionality in current Remote App!!
14-May-2018, 17:18
One evening at Munich the Shunyata team took me to visit a dealer outside of Munich, My Sound. It turns out that this is the biggest Devialet dealer in the country AND the dealership where Jeremy Savonet the new Devialet Expert software manager was validating his "Transport: Device in use" bug fix!
Anyway it was an extraordinary place, one of the best setups I have ever seen. Several rooms ranging from lifestyle (with speakers completely hidden away) to more traditional high-end hifi, with each room fitted out and furnished in impeccable (modern) taste with striking photos (the owner Wolfgang Linhard is a semi-pro photographer and publishes his own travel magazine!) and artwork on the walls and some of the best room treatment I have ever seen. Everything is optimised there, from networks to power.
Whilst I was wondering around on these amazing premises I spotted these solid granite plinths:
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Here are a couple of pics showing Devialets wall mounted:
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Guillaume
Anyway it was an extraordinary place, one of the best setups I have ever seen. Several rooms ranging from lifestyle (with speakers completely hidden away) to more traditional high-end hifi, with each room fitted out and furnished in impeccable (modern) taste with striking photos (the owner Wolfgang Linhard is a semi-pro photographer and publishes his own travel magazine!) and artwork on the walls and some of the best room treatment I have ever seen. Everything is optimised there, from networks to power.
Whilst I was wondering around on these amazing premises I spotted these solid granite plinths:
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Here are a couple of pics showing Devialets wall mounted:
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Guillaume
14-May-2018, 17:27
(14-May-2018, 12:59)AaronG Wrote: [ -> ]If anyone gets to hear the Grimm setup at Munich I’d love to hear your thoughts about the new music player. And about anything Grimm!
I wish you had said before - I saw them there but had so little time. There were many brands I missed.
Guillaume
14-May-2018, 17:35
(14-May-2018, 10:33)GuillaumeB Wrote: [ -> ]Devialet is not alone in refusing the filters from MQA. Linn and Chord clearly stated that they will never implement these. I think compatibility with the MQA file format is necessary and therefore unfolding at least at the first level may be a requirement in the marketplace so Devialet complies but that level of unfolding which can be achieved also through software e.g. Roon 1.5 what they call MQA support.(13-May-2018, 22:51)Music or sound Wrote: [ -> ]One aspect not discussed yet is their statement about MQA. Devialet had discussions with MQA and they will work on the first level of unfolding as other softwares like latest Roon or Audirvana+ do already but will not develop full compatibility with MQA as the digital filtering MQA requires would negate their design. I personally think that is the right decision.
Yes, Mathieu was quite clear that he didn't want to add any digital filters to the ADH. I'm pretty sure that they could do it if they wanted to, this is more about preserving the integrity of the Devialet offering.
They seem quite happy to work with MQA on the unfolding side though.
Guillaume
I am not sure that MQA will be accepted in the wider music distribution market and even in the audiophile sector many are not supporting it.
One aspect of MQA I find quite disruptive is that MQA makes DSP more difficult or impossible. As Devialet demonstrated on that event with multichannel active amplification and correction (or even SAM) DSP is becoming an important aspect of music reproduction. Just unfolding MQA would not prevent DSP but anything beyond would be problematic.
14-May-2018, 19:03
The sooner MQA disappears into the dustbin of audio history the better. Bury it next to DVD-A.
I thought a new iOS app would be nice. However, I have an old iPad, a new Amazon Fire HD tablet, an iPhone and usually a macbook. I can stream anything I want (sources are Qobuz or a server library) from any of these devices and the only things I need a remote for (physical or iOS) are volume control and mute. The existing app does that very effectively. I prefer to use the physical remote.
I thought a new iOS app would be nice. However, I have an old iPad, a new Amazon Fire HD tablet, an iPhone and usually a macbook. I can stream anything I want (sources are Qobuz or a server library) from any of these devices and the only things I need a remote for (physical or iOS) are volume control and mute. The existing app does that very effectively. I prefer to use the physical remote.
14-May-2018, 19:04
(14-May-2018, 17:35)Music or sound Wrote: [ -> ]One aspect of MQA I find quite disruptive is that MQA makes DSP more difficult or impossible.
Roon has just solved that problem in their 1.5 release. I guess others will do it the same way soon...
14-May-2018, 19:55
As one of the magnificent seven being there in Munich (Literally. Not the magnificent, the seven) I think I am obliged to cover some areas that have not been mentioned. One being using different sources rather than streaming with AIR. More specifically, we asked why some of us experience better results with SOtM/Microrendu + MUTEC re-clocker(s) and reference clocks.
Now, before I elaborate on what Mathieu said, let me digress a bit on this clocking/re-clocking
With every re-clocking, providing that it is with a good clock, the SQ seems to improve IME. I have one Mutec MC3+USB but a friend brought over two (so we had 3 in series) a few months ago and the improvement was mind-blowing. The same goes for SOtM products. A tx-USB ultra has the same sCLK-ex that is in the SMS-200 ultra, and still improves the sound.
I couldn't resist and talked to Christian Peters, the head engineer for Mutec about it at the show. He said it is difficult to explain, even for engineers what is going on but each re-clocking can only improve jitter by a certain “amount”. It is like having your dirty windscreen wiped once, twice or more times. Each wipe will make it cleaner, even if you use the same wiper. After a number of 'wipes' you won’t see much improvement of course, but that number depends on a few of things. In this analogy, how dirty your window is and the quality of your wiper, etc.
That is why, even though the Devialet has a good clock when it receives a cleaner (jitter ‘free’) signal, it will have to do less and may improve it further. With a less good signal (high jitter) there is just so much it can do. And that goes for even the new clock on the CI board. The new clock on the CI board is not replacing the original clock. That is still the heart of the system but the better digital signal it receives, the better will be the outcome (at least that is how interpreted the explanation). External clocks and as such the re-clocked low jitter signals may bring further improvements. Given this explanation, the improvement most people with the new pros may be the better clock on the CI board but in my opinion more likely down to the improvement in the power supply, Magic Wire, further EMI insulation with the bottom copper plate, better heat management, etc.
Mathieu said that "the Devialet is true/transparent to the source" i.e. if you improve the source you improve the SQ. When they demoed the EUR160K system with a Macbook and a 5m USB cable (for printers) I asked why they don't improve the source. His answer was that "let's say that this is the minimum performance of the system".
Zoltan
Now, before I elaborate on what Mathieu said, let me digress a bit on this clocking/re-clocking
With every re-clocking, providing that it is with a good clock, the SQ seems to improve IME. I have one Mutec MC3+USB but a friend brought over two (so we had 3 in series) a few months ago and the improvement was mind-blowing. The same goes for SOtM products. A tx-USB ultra has the same sCLK-ex that is in the SMS-200 ultra, and still improves the sound.
I couldn't resist and talked to Christian Peters, the head engineer for Mutec about it at the show. He said it is difficult to explain, even for engineers what is going on but each re-clocking can only improve jitter by a certain “amount”. It is like having your dirty windscreen wiped once, twice or more times. Each wipe will make it cleaner, even if you use the same wiper. After a number of 'wipes' you won’t see much improvement of course, but that number depends on a few of things. In this analogy, how dirty your window is and the quality of your wiper, etc.
That is why, even though the Devialet has a good clock when it receives a cleaner (jitter ‘free’) signal, it will have to do less and may improve it further. With a less good signal (high jitter) there is just so much it can do. And that goes for even the new clock on the CI board. The new clock on the CI board is not replacing the original clock. That is still the heart of the system but the better digital signal it receives, the better will be the outcome (at least that is how interpreted the explanation). External clocks and as such the re-clocked low jitter signals may bring further improvements. Given this explanation, the improvement most people with the new pros may be the better clock on the CI board but in my opinion more likely down to the improvement in the power supply, Magic Wire, further EMI insulation with the bottom copper plate, better heat management, etc.
Mathieu said that "the Devialet is true/transparent to the source" i.e. if you improve the source you improve the SQ. When they demoed the EUR160K system with a Macbook and a 5m USB cable (for printers) I asked why they don't improve the source. His answer was that "let's say that this is the minimum performance of the system".
Zoltan
14-May-2018, 20:10
(14-May-2018, 19:55)zdenes Wrote: [ -> ]As one of the magnificent seven being there in Munich (Literally. Not the magnificent, the seven) I think I am obliged to cover some areas that have not been mentioned. One being using different sources rather than streaming with AIR.Totally confused here as I have no idea about broadcast protocols and where the bits go.
I only rarely use Air, but have been using uPnP with my Devialet connected to an access point by an ethernet cable. It works faultlessly and sounds brilliant. Is there any jitter going on, or is it limited to usb devices?
Until the February beta I was using usb. I had an Aries with Femto clock and an Aries Mini without. I compared both going into the Devialet using the same usb connection and could not hear a difference, so I sold the more expensive Aries and kept the Aries Mini. (I still have Mini, never use it to play music, just use it as a server.)
p.s. Qobuz OSX via uPnP to Devialet connects faster than via Devialet Air and works 100% and superbly up to 24/192, even though it is a Qobuz beta.