(20-Oct-2018, 14:20)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]Do Devialet actually owe anything to Expert owners who might feel a little cheated by the original Evo promise? You can make a good argument that the answer to this is yes, I would say.
I guess if you don't use Roon and still have AIR stability issues you would feel pretty disappointed.
the EVO platform was talked up a lot but it's almost impossible to figure out what Devialet actually promised and what was the press. And then there's people who work for Devialet who talk out of school. Lesson learned; If it doesn't do what you want it to do when you are thinking of buying it, don't buy it. Like the new Phantom Reactor; if you want stereo, get something else.
(20-Oct-2018, 21:53)Pim Wrote: [ -> ]So David, when you read "a request for certification" you interpret that as 'the work is done, please check' whereas I interpret it as 'we want to certify, please tell us how'.
I hope your interpretation is right. With a bit of luck my Od'A will come back RAAT ready 
Pim,
When a company submits something for certification it's the organisation they're submitting the product to who have the say on whether the product is up to scratch or not. For some things like electrical devices which are submitted to a body for electrical safety certification the product can't be sold before the it receives certification. I asked my dealer about getting a Shunyata Denali power conditioner back in April and was told it was awaiting certification for power safety and 6 months on it's still awaiting certification and I have no idea how much longer that's going to take but Shunyata won't start manufacturing the Australian version for actual sale before it gets certification because until it gets certified there's no guarantee that they won't have to make alterations to it. In this case Devialet can't release the firmware update to us before Roon certify it so now it's in Roon's hands and they won't provide certification if the firmware doesn't do everything Roon expects a Roon Ready device to do. If Roon discover any problems it's back to Devialet to fix and then resubmit to Roon and that goes on until Roon are happy. How long the certification process will take depends on how well Devialet did with the firmware, how many errors Roon finds, and how hard those errors are to fix.
Given the turnaround time for upgrades to amps I suspect that your Od'A will be on it's way back to you before Roon give certification for the firmware so I would think you're likely to see your amps back with the current firmware rather than with the Roon Ready upgrade firmware. Danny was quoted as saying that certification usually takes a minimum of a couple of weeks and if your amps have already left for upgrade then it's likely they'll be on their way back to you before Roon certify the firmware update, even if Devialet have done a really good job with the firmware. If your amps get sent back to you with the current firmware, at least installing the RAAT update once it's released shouldn't take much in the way of time or effort and it's nothing like sending your amps away for upgrade.
This kind of thing works both ways. I would bet that Roon weren't able to include the current AIR compatibility in a Roon software release before Devialet said they were happy with how Roon had handled the incorporation of AIR in their software and no one is saying whether there were any hiccups along the way for that process.
While I want to see my 140 RAAT ready, I don't think I'm going to see any real change in how it works in my system in the short term. Roon with AIR has been really reliable for me, both before and after my amp got the CI upgrade, and I'm not streaming to more than one zone/device at the same time. Since I'm streaming over ethernet and the highest PCM resolution content I have is 176,4 kHz the limitation AIR has with resolutions of 176.4 kHz and higher over wifi doesn't affect me and DSD64, the highest resolution DSD content I have, is streaming without problems over Roon AIR via ethernet for me even though Devialet say there are problems with streaming DSD over AIR so I'm not sure if RAAT offers me any immediate advantages but I'd like to find out if it does when it comes to practice over theory. If you have more than one zone or you're using wifi the situation may well be different for you. What I can say is that like you and a lot of other people here, I'd like to see this update sooner rather than later.
I agree with David A's assessment. The time frame for certification depends upon the accuracy of Devialet's code and the speed at which they are able to address any deficiencies (aka bugs) that Roon finds when they run the Devialet implementation through their certification testing.
I, for one, hope it's fairly clean and that Devialet is extremely responsive to Roon. #fingerscrossed
(20-Oct-2018, 09:44)sam1000 Wrote: [ -> ]Why do we have to flight about EVO promise in every thread? I understand that some folks feel a little betrayed. But Devialet might have some constraints on their side too.I don’t see many manufacturers providing upgrade path to existing hardware except may be couple of companies. To me and many others, the upgrade cost was well worth it.
I also don’t care about RAAT unless Roon starts integrating other services like quobuzz and Spotify. I did not renew my subscription for that reason. They have made a promise about lifetime subscription, but I always wonder how long will they sustain.
Yes, RAAT is not really the big advantage. ROON does a bad job, with only TIDAL.
(21-Oct-2018, 18:43)midi Wrote: [ -> ]
(20-Oct-2018, 09:44)sam1000 Wrote: [ -> ]Why do we have to flight about EVO promise in every thread? I understand that some folks feel a little betrayed. But Devialet might have some constraints on their side too.I don’t see many manufacturers providing upgrade path to existing hardware except may be couple of companies. To me and many others, the upgrade cost was well worth it.
I also don’t care about RAAT unless Roon starts integrating other services like quobuzz and Spotify. I did not renew my subscription for that reason. They have made a promise about lifetime subscription, but I always wonder how long will they sustain.
Yes, RAAT is not really the big advantage. ROON does a bad job, with only TIDAL.
Same opinion here: at least Qobuz integration in Roon should be a must! I am switching back and forth between Roon and Aurender‘s Conductor app (in conjunction with an N100H) and I find the simultaneous integration of Qobuz and Tidal very handy! And I must say, I vastly prefer Qobuz over Tidal, sonically inparticular!
(21-Oct-2018, 06:27)musialsuspect Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with David A's assessment. The time frame for certification depends upon the accuracy of Devialet's code and the speed at which they are able to address any deficiencies (aka bugs) that Roon finds when they run the Devialet implementation through their certification testing.
I, for one, hope it's fairly clean and that Devialet is extremely responsive to Roon. #fingerscrossed
Thankfully, Devialet have an amazing track record on all counts; impeccable code, lightning fast bug fixing, and a highly responsive, open and collaborative attitude. Should get there in no time....
(22-Oct-2018, 08:32)Hifi_swlon Wrote: [ -> ] (21-Oct-2018, 06:27)musialsuspect Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with David A's assessment. The time frame for certification depends upon the accuracy of Devialet's code and the speed at which they are able to address any deficiencies (aka bugs) that Roon finds when they run the Devialet implementation through their certification testing.
I, for one, hope it's fairly clean and that Devialet is extremely responsive to Roon. #fingerscrossed
Thankfully, Devialet have an amazing track record on all counts; impeccable code, lightning fast bug fixing, and a highly responsive, open and collaborative attitude. Should get there in no time....
Yes, that’s been my experience too!
(22-Oct-2018, 08:32)Hifi_swlon Wrote: [ -> ] (21-Oct-2018, 06:27)musialsuspect Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with David A's assessment. The time frame for certification depends upon the accuracy of Devialet's code and the speed at which they are able to address any deficiencies (aka bugs) that Roon finds when they run the Devialet implementation through their certification testing.
I, for one, hope it's fairly clean and that Devialet is extremely responsive to Roon. #fingerscrossed
Thankfully, Devialet have an amazing track record on all counts; impeccable code, lightning fast bug fixing, and a highly responsive, open and collaborative attitude. Should get there in no time....
At least Devialet is/was not as stubborn as Roon and implemented in Spark Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz, Deezer, Radio channels, and access to Physical digital inputs (optical). All works well with appropriate network. Maybe on Experts due to underperforming digital hardware they failed and now aim to correct this with the new board. Is this a wrong move?
(22-Oct-2018, 08:32)Hifi_swlon Wrote: [ -> ]Thankfully, Devialet have an amazing track record on all counts; impeccable code, lightning fast bug fixing, and a highly responsive, open and collaborative attitude. Should get there in no time....
That is why I am not thinking of selling my 250 CI and buying a pair of Dutch&Dutch 8C instead
Being a dCS fanboy I bought a dCS Network Bridge which has Roon RAAT built in. I found it sounding very nice but not sure if it is much better than Roon over Devialet Air. I am not good with A/B tests.
What I found surprising is that Roon over RAAT is not necessarily more reliable than Roon over Devialet Air. In fact, Roon over the dCS tends to disappear randomly from track to track, often requiring a reboot of the dCS to work again.
So while we think RAAT will solve all the world's problem that is not necessarily the case. I think bugs and occasional crashes are what we may have to live with when it comes to computer Audio.