After Reading much about devialet phonostage ,i come too that conclution that there phonostage i not Wery good , they say it is a fantastisk phonostage ,and When you see How many cartridge it support it look like that, But When i Read about Hiss, and Hiss from Low output cartridge ,People’s complain, Then i must say that devialet phonostage is not fantastish ,Devialet is for streamers ,and yes they put a phonostage In ther models , becorse they altso want people who have turntables , What i Don,t understand When this forum tell about Hiss , that devialet ,When we upgrade too pro ,not fix the phonostage , but there is only One explation ,Devialet focus about streaming and less about turntable.i am Shure that people Can bye other amps With bildt In phonostage who give no hiss ,too a cheaper Money.( Sorry my English , i am Danish ) mabye i make mistake With the words.
(01-Dec-2018, 02:40)Finn Wrote: [ -> ]After Reading much about devialet phonostage ,i come too that conclution that there phonostage i not Wery good , they say it is a fantastisk phonostage ,and When you see How many cartridge it support it look like that, But When i Read about Hiss, and Hiss from Low output cartridge ,People’s complain, Then i must say that devialet phonostage is not fantastish ,Devialet is for streamers ,and yes they put a phonostage In ther models , becorse they altso want people who have turntables , What i Don,t understand When this forum tell about Hiss , that devialet ,When we upgrade too pro ,not fix the phonostage , but there is only One explation ,Devialet focus about streaming and less about turntable.i am Shure that people Can bye other amps With bildt In phonostage who give no hiss ,too a cheaper Money.( Sorry my English , i am Danish ) mabye i make mistake With the words.
I can understand perfectly what you are saying. This is the longest post you have ever made, so you obviously feel more confident in writing English. Practice makes perfect, and you will improve the more you do it, so don’t stop!
Back on track: my Ortofon Rondo Red hisses, but with a bit of subtle tweaking on the fly via the information screens, I can achieve a result that I am pleased with and unless the music has very quiet passages, the hiss is not intrusive.
(01-Dec-2018, 02:40)Finlandese Wrote: [ -> ]Dopo aver letto molto sul phonostage di devialet, vengo anche io a concludere che lì il phonostage non è Wery buono, dicono che è un fonostage fantastico, e quando vedi quante cartucce lo supportano sembra, ma quando ho letto di Hiss, e Sibilano dalle cartucce a bassa uscita, le persone si lamentano, quindi devo dire che il fonostage di devialet non è fantastico, Devialet è per gli streamer, e sì hanno inserito un phonostage in questi modelli, perché vogliono anche le persone che hanno giradischi, cosa non lo capisco, capisco Quando questo forum parla di Hiss, che devialet, Quando aggiorniamo troppo pro, non fissiamo il phonostage, ma c'è solo un'esplosione, Devialet si concentra sullo streaming e meno sul giradischi. Sono Shure che le persone possono cedere altri amplificatori Con bildt In phonostage che non danno nessun sibilo, anche un denaro più economico. (Scusa il mio inglese,sono danese) mabye sbaglio Con le parole.
Già scritto in altre occasioni, nessun sibilo e buona qualità, rispetto a Parasound JC3 +
Certainly the phonostage was downgraded when the update from D-Premier was introduced, as well as losing the HDMI input. My original D-Premier was completely silent using my Ortofon Jubilee but I found it was better with the Ortofon T3000 step up transformer, which I hadn't used for years, once I had my units updated from two D-Premiers to a 800. I was pretty disappointed since I used the HDMI for tv sound too so the update was a downgrade for me (there is no SAM profile for my speakers and SAM is the only gain from the update IMO)
OTOH I don't play LPs very often, and I did have the SUT so just a minor irritation.
I felt the D-Premier phonos stage was preferable to my Goldmund PH2 but I haven't repeated the comparison with the 800 or O d'A.
There have been a number of threads dedicated to the phono stage of the Devialet with a mix of responses re the perceived quality of the phono input and its hiss. I have got to say that I have, personally, had no issues with my Devialet in this respect. I use an Audio Technica AT OC 9 iii MC cartridge, which has a rated output of 0.4mV - not the lowest of outputs, but still needing a reasonable amount of gain. I have set up the phono input on my Dev using the configurator, and the drop down menus provided by Devialet for that cartridge, and have experienced no issues with either hiss, or hum!
My listening position is circa 3.5m from my speakers, and my normal gain setting for listening to vinyl is between - 24db and - 26db. At that level I can hear NO hiss, or hum from my speakers (even if I put my ears direct to the speakers - and I wear hearing aids!). If I increase gain (without music playing that is, to around - 9db, then I can just start to hear some hiss - at that level of gain I would probably be doing some serious damage to my speakers, and hearing (and also my marriage!).
I suppose that the reason that I am responding here is that I do become annoyed when people make blanket statements ‘rubbishing’, the Devialet phono stage as though it were a fact! I fully respect the fact that everyone has the right to an opinion, but to put it forward as an undisputed fact is not right. My own experience of the Devialet phono output would indicate that it is far from being ‘no good’ and, in my system, is actually excellent. Others may have counter experiences depending on their own systems, or preferences, but let’s, please, keep an open mind before making blanket statements which may not be totally supported by actual facts.
Grumpy ‘old man’ phase over, now back to enjoying some vinyl - currently Dire Straits Brothers in Arms
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David
(01-Dec-2018, 02:40)Finn Wrote: [ -> ]After Reading much about devialet phonostage ,i come too that conclution that there phonostage i not Wery good , they say it is a fantastisk phonostage ,and When you see How many cartridge it support it look like that, But When i Read about Hiss, and Hiss from Low output cartridge ,People’s complain, Then i must say that devialet phonostage is not fantastish.
You seem to be basing your conclusions about the phono stage in the Devialet on the opinions and writings of other people’s experience.
I see from your profile that you are using a 220 Expert Pro with a turntable. What is your opinion of the phono stage in your experience? Surely that is far more relevant than what other people write on forums.
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Disarmamant : before i connect my turntable into devialet ,and get hiss When listen at -15. To minus 10 i could hear hiss , and yes i bye a ortofon transformer name verto ,and my hiss dissaperer , but Devialet is expensiv here In Denmark it cost. 62 993 ,00 kr // 7500 english Money , and With that kind of Money devialet should not have ploblems With Hiss , and that,s Why i say devialet phonostage have a ploblem.
I do agree with Finn : the phonostage issue should be adressed. Furthermore I did not upgrade my D200 because it appeared to me that Devialet is keener to follow a path of innovation than fixing the issues with their current products. When I moved from the basic mm Clearaudio cartridge to the mm Artist v2, a distant hiss became audible as soon as the phono input was selected. Like Axel wrote this hiss is not intrusive ; however it led me to the conclusion that the next step I would consider in order to upgrade the system would be buying another integrated amplifier such as a pricier Diablo 300 with the optionnal phono stage (which as far as I know works perfectely). The D200 is a real excellent sounding amp and a one box solution of a kind, but its openly accepted obsolescence is still a disappointment to me : think to their evo advertisement back in the days.
I have been using the phonostage with my Rega RP8 and Exact MM cart, and I find it really excellent. However if I were to use an MC cart I would probably look at an external phono stage. Frankly I think if you are a very keen record listener, or have invested in a £20K analogue frontend, then Devialet should not be on the top of your list for amplification. I think Devialet has included the phono stage for myth busting that digital amplification can't sound as good as the traditional class A or class A/B designs. Is it a gimmick absolutely not, however Devialet as a platform is geared more towards the digital model of music playback. I have heard the famous hiss with my 440 Pro and it starts at around -22db with a Rega Apheta cart. I have to add though that -22db is really loud for me and I hardly ever play music at those levels and tend to stay within -35 to -30 db range.