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Hi everyone, 


I'm joining the family of Devialet and the sound lovers, and I am actually pretty ignorant on all the technical wording that most people are exchanging on this forum. 
I am kind of lost in this so I'll explain my problem to see if someone can help me out. 

I am using 4 Phantom gold that are connected to my devialet app, but independants from my home cinema. Im gonna buy another 2 or 4 more in a short term. 
I have a Yamaha home cinema VX375 which is pretty old, and I'm considering to change to maybe the RX V6 also from Yamaha but I'm not 100% sure if it's what I'm looking for. 

From what I have seen, it's not possible to buy some phantoms speakers to do surround systems for home cinema, so I'll just stick to my Yamaha speakers for the home cinema. However, I'm installing some phantoms gold all around my house connected to the wifi, so I'd like to connect Home cinema/Amp to my Devialet system. 

I also have a turntable connected to my RCA Audio Input on my home cinema and I'd like to have this sound on my phantoms if possible. 

Anyone has any idea on how I could actually connect my home cinema to my speakers so I could choose to listen to the sound from the home cinema directly on the speakers from my apple tv for example, or eventually from my turntable or other audio/video imput from the Home cinema. 

I'm pretty open to buy any accessory or home cinema system as long as it can do the work ! 

Thanks everyone

Welcome to the forum...

Yes, it is possible to to connect your AVR to the Phantoms, but you will need bridging Dante technology
https://devialetchat.com/Thread-Phantom-...-and-Dante
@njaiswal is the guru who put together the solution.  

You will need to change your AVR to either a standard home theatre pre processor eg. Anthem AVM 60 (or just coming out AVM 70) (diagram on page 2 of above link).  Alternately, consider the more expensive JBL SDP-55 which has Dante built-in, making for a simpler setup which looks like this.

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There are many bits but all are standard out of the box components which need to be configured. If you are willing to learn, then we can help you proceed.  However, if it is too difficult, find someone locally who knows Dante technology, used by professional musicians in pro audio equipment.

Thanks for the infos. I am thinking to give up the Devialet speakers for the home cinema and use the Z4 and some JBL for rear speakers. 

I wanted to use the Same AV receiver and use Wifi for the devialet speakers. So I could use my iphone anywhere in the house to streap through my apple TV or Spotify and have surround system everywhere in the house. 

The set up you gave me with the Optical cables, I'm not sure I can drag a 100 meters of cable in the house for the all around speakers. I think this is do-able only for a small home cinema. But I have I have a home cinema with standmount speakers. 

What's your opinion ? Or I just give up the AVR to Devialet set up and use the devialets with their app for streaming, and have a separate home cinema system ? If so, I won't be able to connect my turntable to my wireless phantoms. For this I'll need to do cabling to another Amp with 3 optical cables to 3 Phantoms that will extend to the other 3 thanks to the "stereo" limited to 2 phantoms per set up I guess.

(11-Dec-2020, 10:53)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]The set up you gave me with the Optical cables, I'm not sure I can drag a 100 meters of cable in the house for the all around speakers. I think this is do-able only for a small home cinema. But I have I have a home cinema with standmount speakers. 

Only the ethernet cables should be long.  Ideally, get an electrician to lay ethernet cables from the switch to the Phantoms with terminated end points. For each Phantom, you will need short ethernet cable, adapter and short optical cable to Phantom.  

You can of course buy standard ethernet cables and lay them your self.  Then, for each Phantom, you need an adapter and short optical cable.

(11-Dec-2020, 10:53)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]What's your opinion ? Or I just give up the AVR to Devialet set up and use the devialets with their app for streaming, and have a separate home cinema system ? If so, I won't be able to connect my turntable to my wireless phantoms. For this I'll need to do cabling to another Amp with 3 optical cables to 3 Phantoms that will extend to the other 3 thanks to the "stereo" limited to 2 phantoms per set up I guess.

It is a trade-off between incredible sound with the Phantoms & complex setup versus easier to set up standard sounding home theatre. If you love home theatre and want to get maximum value out of the Phanthoms, then go Dante. If you are not sure, then go standard.

(10-Dec-2020, 15:20)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty open to buy any accessory or home cinema system as long as it can do the work ! 

What I have posted definitely works and is the recommended Devialet method to set up the Phantoms for surround sound home theatre.  However, it is not for everyone and only a few in the forum have done this.

Only the ethernet cables should be long.  Ideally, get an electrician to lay ethernet cables from the switch to the Phantoms with terminated end points. For each Phantom, you will need short ethernet cable, adapter and short optical cable to Phantom.  
You can of course buy standard ethernet cables and lay them your self.  Then, for each Phantom, you need an adapter and short optical cable.

Hey Snoopy Thanks a lot for taking the time for explanation.
I'll get the electrician to pull the cables to 3 Phantoms and then I'll Stereo them to my other speakers, so like that I would just need to pull cables to 3 of them I presume. 

It is a trade-off between incredible sound with the Phantoms & complex setup versus easier to set up standard sounding home theatre. If you love home theatre and want to get maximum value out of the Phanthoms, then go Dante. If you are not sure, then go standard.

Sounds good ! so for this set up, what would you recommend for the 7.1 ?
AVR: the JBL-SDB-55
Front L C R : 3 Phantoms premier Gold 4500W
Rear : 2 Reactors 900W
Rest of the home : 6 Phantom premier gold 4500W with only 3 connected by optical
Sub : unknown
adapters : PoE Network switch and Ethernet to Optical adapters, any advice on what equipment to use here ? or any random one with good quality would work ? 

Office : 2 Phantoms premier gold 4500W
AVR : Need a small AVR with phono and optical that can be linked to 1 sub and the 2 Phantoms and eventually 2 8k HDMI inputs as I don't have anything else to plug there



What I have posted definitely works and is the recommended Devialet method to set up the Phantoms for surround sound home theatre.  However, it is not for everyone and only a few in the forum have done this.


Well, This defintely worth a try and I guess I'll need some adjustments. I've also considered to bring my turntable to my office and get another 2 speakers there so I don't have to draw the cable from the turntable to the home cinema. So it also means I'm gonna need to crack a LOT of more money very soon !

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Hey Snoopy, 

Here I made a simple diagram of the living area. 

So ideally, I would be able to command the 6 gold phantoms with my phone at anytime, then also connect it to the AVR receiver and have the 5.1 system
 
Any opinion on the Sub ? 

I give up the turntable for the living room and will set it in my office with I'm thinking a smaller Yamaha Av 6 that will be 8k ready, and will take my phono turntable, as well as my computer jack to rca output, and I'll connect my 2 gold through ethernet cable with stereo pairing between the 2, and I'll add a small sub Q B12 to add some nice bass to it. 

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(12-Dec-2020, 04:57)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]I'll get the electrician to pull the cables to 3 Phantoms and then I'll Stereo them to my other speakers, so like that I would just need to pull cables to 3 of them I presume. 

No, you need to use Ethernet cabling for all the Phantoms and Dante adapters, cabling for all of them. 

(12-Dec-2020, 04:57)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds good ! so for this set up, what would you recommend for the 7.1 ?
AVR: the JBL-SDB-55
Front L C R : 3 Phantoms premier Gold 4500W
Rear : 2 Reactors 900W

Mixing the Gold and Reactors is a problem, because they have different latencies.  Not sure whether the problem has been resolved in latest Devialet firmware? The guru @njaiswal had lots of issues mixing Golds and Reactors, which required even more equipment to resolve.  More importantly, he should be actively involved in this thread.

(12-Dec-2020, 04:57)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]adapters : PoE Network switch and Ethernet to Optical adapters, any advice on what equipment to use here ? or any random one with good quality would work ?

Any PoE switch is OK (I like Ubiquity, but more expensive) and you need one with enough PoE ports to cover every Dante adapter.  Get a better optical cable with a better end plug to ensure you never have contact problems; the guru suggested the cheapest Audioquest Pearl and it need only be a short one.  Just to be clear, the connection is:
ethernet cable -> adapter -> optical cable -> Phantom

(12-Dec-2020, 04:57)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]Office : 2 Phantoms premier gold 4500W
AVR : Need a small AVR with phono and optical that can be linked to 1 sub and the 2 Phantoms and eventually 2 8k HDMI inputs as I don't have anything else to plug there

Must you use a AVR?  AVRs are not good for stereo music.  Suggest getting a stereo preamp.

(12-Dec-2020, 07:06)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]So ideally, I would be able to command the 6 gold phantoms with my phone at anytime, then also connect it to the AVR receiver and have the 5.1 system

Not sure the JBL has a phone app?  Let me answer your earlier question on 7.1 vs 5.1 here.  I was an early 7.1 adopter, but moved back to 5.1 when I had to shift.  I do not miss 7.1, so my suggestion is go 5.1

(12-Dec-2020, 07:06)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ] Any opinion on the Sub ? 

Do you need a sub when all the Golds themselves produce lots of bass?

(12-Dec-2020, 07:06)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]Here I made a simple diagram of the living area. 

OK, you are getting SERIOUS!  Before you go further, you need to know the details and implications.

Firstly, Dante adapters.  The Auvitran adpater is now sold by Devialet themselves and you need to email professional@devialet.com (Professional Enquiries).  Another option is Digimedia
https://www.micromedia.ch/?product=digim...ca-tos-poe

Each of the Phantoms need to be enabled in direct optical mode to reduce the latency of the Phantoms.  Once you do that, they become effectively an active speaker and controlled by the JBL.  You will no longer be using the Devialet App in a Dante network.  Hence, in your diagram, the Phantoms with the stereo connection need to be ethernet cabled as well and will need the Dante adapter.

The Dante Controller (free software than runs on any PC) in my original diagram is used to configure where the inputs and outputs are. To use stereo in larger room, you will configure that pair within the Dante Controller.

Important that you get JBL manual and read that in detail to see how multi room works, how it is controlled, is there a phone app etc. (Sorry, I have not used the JBL).  You have to find out whether the JBL can deliver what you need.

Had a look at the JBL SDP-55 website. There is a JBL Synthesis Control phone app but I have yet to find any details about it.

To set up Dante, please read this
https://www.jblsynthesis.com/on/demandwa...1JUN20.pdf
It does have a screen shot of the Dante Controller.

The JBL is designed for use by home automation integration specialist and supports their protocols. I would expect that with some additional home automation equipment, it can deliver what you need. However, this is an subject area I have no experience with.

Hello @Snoopy8
Ive ready all your informations, I will try to connect my first speakers with short cables to give a shot, maybe 2 speakers first for me not to buy a ton of equipment without having to buy 11 adapters and ending up it's not working.
I'll be over it during the month and keep you in the loop of the progress. It might take some time as it's a very busy season at work for us, and Xmas coming is not helping for me to go around to find the equipment needed.
I'll read the JBL AVR link you sent me, but I'm also considering the AVM 70 in comparison.

For the office, I think I was going to get a phono pre-amp from Pro-ject. It's simple and will do the phono pre-amp and conversion to digital which is enough for the active speakers I presume. But I'll drop the idea of adding a sub in this case.

(14-Dec-2020, 02:07)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]Ive ready all your informations, I will try to connect my first speakers with short cables to give a shot, maybe 2 speakers first for me not to buy a ton of equipment without having to buy 11 adapters and ending up it's not working.

It is OK to try with 2 first.  You will need the following:

• Instead of buying a PoE switch with 12 ports, you can a start with a smaller one or get 2 PoE injectors. 
  
• Ethernet cables with correct length
  
• 2 short optical cables, ideally with better connectors
  
• 2 Dante Ethernet to optical converters
  
• Dante Controller software (free)
  

** You can even use an existing AVR with preouts as a trial, but you will need a Dante analog to ethernet converter (double channel) (https://www.audinate.com/products/device...vio#analog), RCA to XLR adpaters (x2), and an additional PoE injector.

Also, you will need to enable low latency optical mode (DOS 2) to use Dante, and the Phantoms will no longer be available in the Devialet App.

(14-Dec-2020, 02:07)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]I'll read the JBL AVR link you sent me, but I'm also considering the AVM 70 in comparison.

With the AVM 70, you will need additional

• Dante XLR to ethernet converters (https://www.audinate.com/products/device...vio#analog)
  
• Increase the number of PoE ports on switch (each Dante converter needs power)
  

The AVM 70 has Anthem Room Correction, the SDP-55 has Dirac Live, both just as good  I suspect the JBL phone app to be better and more versatile, but I do not have any details on it.  The Anthem app is essentially a phone remote.  If you want to do fancy multi room things and automation, the SDP-55 will be better.  But the SDP-55 is double the price of the AVM 70, but you need to factor in additional cost of 6 Dante adapters (5x double channel, 1x single) and a more expensive PoE switch.  Even with the additional bits, the AVM 70 is significantly cheaper.  ** The SDP-55 has the big advantage that it is all digital; AVM70 outputs analog which converted back to digital by Dante converter. 

I have set up a Dante home theatre with an AVM 60 (for someone else!).  Both the AVM 70 and SDP-55 will do the job well.

(14-Dec-2020, 02:07)micky8pool Wrote: [ -> ]For the office, I think I was going to get a phono pre-amp from Pro-ject. It's simple and will do the phono pre-amp and conversion to digital which is enough for the active speakers I presume. But I'll drop the idea of adding a sub in this case.

Agree it will be simpler using a separate box to convert phono to optical.