15-Jul-2022, 22:45
Seems with AIR driver fix etc. there are some resources and it’s a good timing to being this major bug up again. Would be great if you can write to support about all your detailed bug report you already collected.
(12-Jul-2022, 23:49)daniel.avasilichioaei Wrote: [ -> ]Devialet has not suggested doing this because this is a workaround, which should not have been necessary, as the configurator should have worked 100% well.
Trigger cable is not required; this is useful when using a real companion. The only cable required is RCA_OUT - RCA_IN or RCA_OUT - AES / EBU.
File comparison:
- The MASTER file is not changed at all.
- The COMPANION file (second master in workaround) is completely changed. Basically, it is identical to the one from MASTER, but with a different audio channel (left/right) and another audio input.
(13-Jul-2022, 08:32)audio_engr Wrote: [ -> ](12-Jul-2022, 21:49)mdconnelly Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that there is any sonic change is remarkable and makes one wonder why Devialet has not suggested doing this or even acknowledged that it as a viable option. I will definitely give it a try sometime soon.
@audio_engr - in doing this, did you change anything else? Were you only using the master previously as input? Using a trigger cable?
Did you change anything with the way the link cable is configured? Did you do a compare of the before/after config files to see what exactly changed? Just being curious while scratching my head as to the differences.
It is indeed a great pity that this sort of an issue ONLY affect the top two most expensive Experts in Devialet's lineup. It also affects 210-Pro but I am yet to see multiple users of 210-Pro as probably they end up buying the 220-Pro.
Coming back to your questions, I did not change 'a thing' in my setup except inserting 2 SD cards and allowing my 440-Pro to read the config files.
And yes, earlier, I was using only my Master since I have a single source which is streaming, hence the Ethernet input of the Master as my only input and No Trigger cable.
When I bought my Dual Mono in 2016 as D400 (Master & Companion), I initially started out with the stock RCA (sPDIF) - -> RCA (sPDIF) cable and few months later also tried the RCA (sPDIF) - -> AES/EBU XLR. I found that the RCA->AES to be much superior to my ears. Hence, I had Audioquest build me a RCA->AES cable that I currently still continue to use. In 2018, I had my D400 upgraded to 440-Pro CI and I continued to use them as a Master + Companion till 2 days back.
Upon configuring the SD cards as {Master-L + Master-R}, I listened to my setup and the next day, inserted my older {Master + Companion} cards and listened again. Immediately, the dense center fill lightened up and that vibrant energy very slightly receded backwards towards the Front-Wall. Once again, after 30 minutes, I reverted back to the {Master-L + Master-R} SD cards and immediately the sonics were more dense and bolder.
I am still listening to my "new config" setup and realise that I will stick to this and not the older {Master + Companion} setup.
Incidentally, I recall last year when I got an EMM Labs MA3 (Streamer+DAC+Preamp) with Bricasti M28 monoblock power amps for trial at home, the center fill was just like how it is now, i.e. with {Master-L + Master-R} config and I kept scratching my head as to why with other electronics, the presentation is different yet more realistic. I sincerely thank @daniel.avasilichioaei for showing the path to solve this crazy Devialet dilemma.
(16-Jul-2022, 01:54)kerkhoffd Wrote: [ -> ](12-Jul-2022, 23:49)daniel.avasilichioaei Wrote: [ -> ]Devialet has not suggested doing this because this is a workaround, which should not have been necessary, as the configurator should have worked 100% well.
Trigger cable is not required; this is useful when using a real companion. The only cable required is RCA_OUT - RCA_IN or RCA_OUT - AES / EBU.
File comparison:
- The MASTER file is not changed at all.
- The COMPANION file (second master in workaround) is completely changed. Basically, it is identical to the one from MASTER, but with a different audio channel (left/right) and another audio input.
(13-Jul-2022, 08:32)audio_engr Wrote: [ -> ](12-Jul-2022, 21:49)mdconnelly Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that there is any sonic change is remarkable and makes one wonder why Devialet has not suggested doing this or even acknowledged that it as a viable option. I will definitely give it a try sometime soon.
@audio_engr - in doing this, did you change anything else? Were you only using the master previously as input? Using a trigger cable?
Did you change anything with the way the link cable is configured? Did you do a compare of the before/after config files to see what exactly changed? Just being curious while scratching my head as to the differences.
It is indeed a great pity that this sort of an issue ONLY affect the top two most expensive Experts in Devialet's lineup. It also affects 210-Pro but I am yet to see multiple users of 210-Pro as probably they end up buying the 220-Pro.
Coming back to your questions, I did not change 'a thing' in my setup except inserting 2 SD cards and allowing my 440-Pro to read the config files.
And yes, earlier, I was using only my Master since I have a single source which is streaming, hence the Ethernet input of the Master as my only input and No Trigger cable.
When I bought my Dual Mono in 2016 as D400 (Master & Companion), I initially started out with the stock RCA (sPDIF) - -> RCA (sPDIF) cable and few months later also tried the RCA (sPDIF) - -> AES/EBU XLR. I found that the RCA->AES to be much superior to my ears. Hence, I had Audioquest build me a RCA->AES cable that I currently still continue to use. In 2018, I had my D400 upgraded to 440-Pro CI and I continued to use them as a Master + Companion till 2 days back.
Upon configuring the SD cards as {Master-L + Master-R}, I listened to my setup and the next day, inserted my older {Master + Companion} cards and listened again. Immediately, the dense center fill lightened up and that vibrant energy very slightly receded backwards towards the Front-Wall. Once again, after 30 minutes, I reverted back to the {Master-L + Master-R} SD cards and immediately the sonics were more dense and bolder.
I am still listening to my "new config" setup and realise that I will stick to this and not the older {Master + Companion} setup.
Incidentally, I recall last year when I got an EMM Labs MA3 (Streamer+DAC+Preamp) with Bricasti M28 monoblock power amps for trial at home, the center fill was just like how it is now, i.e. with {Master-L + Master-R} config and I kept scratching my head as to why with other electronics, the presentation is different yet more realistic. I sincerely thank @daniel.avasilichioaei for showing the path to solve this crazy Devialet dilemma.
Thank you for the write up. I am tempted to try this too. Just to be sure, you didn’t change the way the speaker cables need to attached to the double mono setup either? I fear breaking my speakers if I do things wrong.
(24-Jul-2022, 17:53)mdconnelly Wrote: [ -> ]@audio_engr - How are you configuring your RCA - XLR link in the Master-L/Master-R configurations? Are you just setting the XLR as an audio input in the Master of the Master-R configuration so that your Master-L config ink connection is the RCA and the Master-R config link connection is the XLR? This has me a bit confused because it doesn't appear you can configure a Master-Companion with the XLR connection on the Master. I must be missing something.
Any insight is appreciated. Thanks.
(24-Jul-2022, 20:45)markush Wrote: [ -> ]Is it possible to use in this configuration also the Expert in a AV setup for the stereo channels? Meaning line-in?
And has anyone got feedback from support what is going wrong here Software side/ in the online configurator? Seems there is a lot of potential, performance missing resp. to be exploited.
(25-Jul-2022, 08:16)Vivialet Wrote: [ -> ]one hint: you should not use "save volume". This sets only the volume on the master-master, not on the slave-master if you change the source.
You can also not use the pass-through mode as this disables the digital-out.