(09-Sep-2024, 11:52)seb Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 11:26)psychedelia Wrote: I have Two Asus routers connected via mesh, so my thought would be to connect the Phantoms and the Arch to the second router, as I have the same issue where the main ethernet line is on another floor. 

I have an Apple TV in another room, but i find the interface quite bad, so this is why i have a media center PC in the living room. What i find interesting is that I have my Devialet Expert 200 connected via ethernet right now, but I don't really experience any form of lip syncing issue here. I guess the Phantoms do not have the feature where you can use ethernet connection on the PC in the same matter? (e.g. de Phantom / Expert as a sound card)

Stian

The Phantoms are a fully digital product. They have a lot of processing power but they still produce a lag. This is why it becomes so difficult in DJ & Home Theater scenarios. There are ways to overcome this, some of them quite costly. There is a couple of means to connect a PC/Mac to the Phantoms: Analog (via Arch), Digital Coax (via Arch; BTW, it seems you can use more than one Arch in a setup), Digital via Toslink (Optical), Digital via UPnP (bit of a nightmare to be honest, very rocky implementation of UPnP by Devialet), Airplay (very reliable and stable), Roon (also very reliable and stable), Spotify Connect (no personal experience) and Bluetooth. That's it.

(09-Sep-2024, 12:03)psychedelia Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 11:52)seb Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 11:26)psychedelia Wrote: I have Two Asus routers connected via mesh, so my thought would be to connect the Phantoms and the Arch to the second router, as I have the same issue where the main ethernet line is on another floor. 

I have an Apple TV in another room, but i find the interface quite bad, so this is why i have a media center PC in the living room. What i find interesting is that I have my Devialet Expert 200 connected via ethernet right now, but I don't really experience any form of lip syncing issue here. I guess the Phantoms do not have the feature where you can use ethernet connection on the PC in the same matter? (e.g. de Phantom / Expert as a sound card)

Stian

The Phantoms are a fully digital product. They have a lot of processing power but they still produce a lag. This is why it becomes so difficult in DJ & Home Theater scenarios. There are ways to overcome this, some of them quite costly. There is a couple of means to connect a PC/Mac to the Phantoms: Analog (via Arch), Digital Coax (via Arch; BTW, it seems you can use more than one Arch in a setup), Digital via Toslink (Optical), Digital via UPnP (bit of a nightmare to be honest, very rocky implementation of UPnP by Devialet), Airplay (very reliable and stable), Roon (also very reliable and stable), Spotify Connect (no personal experience) and Bluetooth. That's it.

Sounds to me the only option for me is the toslink directly to PC, as the Arch would be used for vinyl. I am reading Arch also has a audio delay, regardless, so doesn't seem that would be viable. Thanks for good info!

(09-Sep-2024, 13:13)seb Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 12:03)psychedelia Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 11:52)seb Wrote: The Phantoms are a fully digital product. They have a lot of processing power but they still produce a lag. This is why it becomes so difficult in DJ & Home Theater scenarios. There are ways to overcome this, some of them quite costly. There is a couple of means to connect a PC/Mac to the Phantoms: Analog (via Arch), Digital Coax (via Arch; BTW, it seems you can use more than one Arch in a setup), Digital via Toslink (Optical), Digital via UPnP (bit of a nightmare to be honest, very rocky implementation of UPnP by Devialet), Airplay (very reliable and stable), Roon (also very reliable and stable), Spotify Connect (no personal experience) and Bluetooth. That's it.

Sounds to me the only option for me is the toslink directly to PC, as the Arch would be used for vinyl. I am reading Arch also has a audio delay, regardless, so doesn't seem that would be viable. Thanks for good info!

I do not think the delay is resulting from Arch that much, but by the necessary processing in the Phantoms. Arch only converts the analogue signal into the proprietary Devialet protocol which is then delivered to the Phantoms. More or less the same way Dialog works. Arch is much more versatile though, and the Phono Preamp is derived from the Expert series. So for Phono it is anyway the best option available.

(09-Sep-2024, 14:16)psychedelia Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 13:13)seb Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 12:03)psychedelia Wrote: Sounds to me the only option for me is the toslink directly to PC, as the Arch would be used for vinyl. I am reading Arch also has a audio delay, regardless, so doesn't seem that would be viable. Thanks for good info!

I do not think the delay is resulting from Arch that much, but by the necessary processing in the Phantoms. Arch only converts the analogue signal into the proprietary Devialet protocol which is then delivered to the Phantoms. More or less the same way Dialog works. Arch is much more versatile though, and the Phono Preamp is derived from the Expert series. So for Phono it is anyway the best option available.

Yeah, I would definitely have to pick one up if I were to go for the Phantoms. My only concern is the audio delay for wathcing movies/tv-shows.

(09-Sep-2024, 17:48)Erwinh Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 14:16)psychedelia Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 13:13)seb Wrote: I do not think the delay is resulting from Arch that much, but by the necessary processing in the Phantoms. Arch only converts the analogue signal into the proprietary Devialet protocol which is then delivered to the Phantoms. More or less the same way Dialog works. Arch is much more versatile though, and the Phono Preamp is derived from the Expert series. So for Phono it is anyway the best option available.

Yeah, I would definitely have to pick one up if I were to go for the Phantoms. My only concern is the audio delay for wathcing movies/tv-shows.

No audio delay when connected directly from my TV with an optical cable overhere! Works like a charm.

(09-Sep-2024, 17:56)psychedelia Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 17:48)Erwinh Wrote:

(09-Sep-2024, 14:16)psychedelia Wrote: Yeah, I would definitely have to pick one up if I were to go for the Phantoms. My only concern is the audio delay for wathcing movies/tv-shows.

No audio delay when connected directly from my TV with an optical cable overhere! Works like a charm.

That's good news! People keep talking about 60ms via toslink, but might be adjusted with firmware or something!