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RE: Speaker Cables - GuillaumeB - 23-Sep-2014 (23-Sep-2014, 20:47)Ekmanc Wrote: Why would it affect anything? it's not like the transparent filter changes the frequency output of the speaker cable. I've no idea which is why I'm asking the question. Presumably the only configurable variable in the network box is the output impedance of the amplifier? At the same time the network boxes do supposedly roll off certain frequencies to give their "sound"? Anyway I'll try and get my hands on one of these super duper TA XL cables and report back once I've had a chance to play. Guillaume RE: Speaker Cables - Antoine - 23-Sep-2014 I think this dealer might mean that for SAM a speaker get's measured and probed in many ways. Adding electric circuitry to a cable changes perhaps more beyond the more common but small R, C and L differences/variations one finds between regular fully passive loudspeaker cables. In a way speaker A with a network box might not behave the same electrically as speaker A without. These 'black boxes' must do something, else you'd be admitting to them being snake oil. I'd say it's a perfect question for Devialet to answer would one like to buy such a cable for a SAM ready loudspeaker. RE: Speaker Cables - Morten - 24-Sep-2014 (23-Sep-2014, 21:04)GuillaumeB Wrote:(23-Sep-2014, 20:47)Ekmanc Wrote: Why would it affect anything? it's not like the transparent filter changes the frequency output of the speaker cable. Hello, I believe that the purpose of the box on the cable is to assist that all frequencies of the music arrives at the speaker at the same time, I believe that I have read that somewhere. As I understand SAM are the Devialet delaying some of the frequencies compared to others to compensate for issues/shortcomings in the crossover network in the speaker... Just thinking, could there be a conflict? Having said that, the music have never sounded better than now, but it may be worth to try some other speaker cables one day, just be sure that they are not doing some nasty stuff—but then again who cares if the music sounds good :-) Br Morten RE: Speaker Cables - IanG-UK - 10-Nov-2014 This is a pretty inconclusive set of comments on two sets of cables, but here goes. For months I've used cable by Soundstring, all GEN II, either special edition or standard edition. Indeed, for my power cables - my regenerators' feeds and my Devialets, Torus subwoofer amp, Cavalli headphone amp and Cyrus transport - they are a permanent fixture. Signal cables, whether loudspeaker feed, subwoofer feed, subwoofer interconnect, transport digital or Devialet digital link, have all been Soundstring too, unchanged for six months I guess, apart from a brief trial with Sablon (power and signal) which was unconvincing. These Soundstring cables get little exposure, probably because the prices are modest and so the margins might be unappealing for US dealers, but reviews this year give strong recommendations: http://test.soundstringcable.com/documents/August-2014-monoandstereo-magazine-GEN_II-GEN%20II%20_SE_%20review.pdf http://www.soundstringcable.com/images/pdf/stero_times_2014_gen-II_review.pdf http://www.soundstringcable.com/documents/GENIIReviewbyBobLeviofPositive-FeedbackOn-lineIssue73May-June2014.pdf A power cable is around £200 for 1m; stereo interconnect is similar; digital is around £100; and loudspeaker just over £200 for 3m stereo or £150 for 1m subwoofer (2013 prices - luckily one gets direct from the USA manufacturer). The cables are copper, burned in by the manufacturer, but not cryogenically treated. Anyway (perhaps to dissuade me from buying others) I have now gone over to my second set of cables, for signal only, by Missing Link, all Link Cryo Reference. These cables are silver, not burned in by the manufacturer, but cryogenically treated. Stereo interconnect is around £400 for 1m; digital is around £250; and loudspeaker around £2,500 for 3m stereo or £750 for 1m subwoofer. Reviews are even sparser than for Soundstring ... http://www.the-missing-link.net/wpe55.jpg http://www.the-missing-link.net/wpe56.jpg Of course, going through a rewiring exercise, with every connection "Tweeked" or "Caiged", proves to be a 90 minute job, and so the resulting sound is so difficult to compare with what went before. And, if there is any substance to burn-in, that process might be needed again for cables unused for a few months. The problem with the Devialet is that each time one turns it on, the sound is a nice surprise. As it was with the Missing Link cables, full of detail, space and imagery. I can just say that both Soundstring and Missing Link are worth a try - especially if you don't want to explore Transparent prices which appear to be around £2k i/c and £5.5k l/s for the Reference and £9k i/c and £28k l/s for the new Opus. RE: Speaker Cables - marcbrown - 19-Nov-2014 (23-Sep-2014, 20:11)mauidan Wrote:When I tested my Devialet 200 with my Sophia III speakers I had Transparent reference, Cardas Clear and Nordost Tyr2 speaker cables to sort out which I preferred. After 2 weeks I bought the Nordost. The Cardas would be helpful if my system was slightly bright. The Transparent was a close 2nd. I much like and enjoy the Tyr2.(23-Sep-2014, 14:39)Ekmanc Wrote: Yep I currently have Nordost Frey 2s but I've tried both Transparent Super MM2 and Reference MM2 with my Devialet and both the networked cables sound great, absolutely no problem with Devialet at all. RE: Speaker Cables - bobertk - 04-Apr-2015 (08-Jul-2014, 17:37)GuillaumeB Wrote: Very interesting debate. Well, I read this thread, ordered some Blue Jeans cable and took the Pepsi Challenge : WW Silver Eclipse power D200 AIR/Ethernet Macbook Pro KEF LS50 SAM $2495 Audience AU24SE vs $77.25 Blue Jeans 5T00UP Still experimenting but early returns: The Audience is more dimensional - music in more planes The Blue Jeans are more upfront and paint more of a bas-relief sound stage. The Blue Jeans are more dynamic - they have a bite the Audience do not Both sound good....but The Audience is not 32 X better... so far. It's more of a preference thing. I'll update as I swap some more. PS - Power Cable: Gotta say the Wireworld Aurora PC is a big improvement from stock. Several cable manufacturers claim the power cord is the most important link - maybe true? PPS AIR destroys USB via WW Platinum Starlight. Some quirks for sure. As an engineer I say work on router / settings and go ethernet both ends if possible, when possible. Cat 6a is a lot cheaper than a streamer... RE: Speaker Cables - bobertk - 04-Apr-2015 (04-Apr-2015, 18:21)bobertk Wrote:(08-Jul-2014, 17:37)GuillaumeB Wrote: Very interesting debate. Well, It only took an hour or so with the Blue Jeans. They are a bit overbearing. Still, it's not 32X... RE: Speaker Cables - samurai7595 - 05-Apr-2015 (08-Jun-2014, 22:23)Sobert Wrote: Audience speaker AU24-SE speaker cables, power cables and digital cable. WOW, very nice cables indeed! RE: Speaker Cables - hk6230 - 06-Apr-2015 Gee, AU24-SE speaker cable cost US$2500. That's even more expensive than KEF LS50 speakers. RE: Speaker Cables - Mikeeo - 06-Apr-2015 bobertk Interesting to read your comment as this somewhat resembles my own though with different cables (Nordost, Chord Company, JPS etc). My std homemade speaker cable (from AWG 10 solid copper) has seen off some quite other costly alternatives and recently a pair of Siltech for USD6000 (Swedish price with VAT (25%)). My cable cost me less than USD 100 including 8 bananas. My findings are almost the same as yours and I would say that the only treat the Siltech had was a slightly smoother top (though I missed some attack/dynamics). Well my hunt will soon be renewed with a home demo of Ansuz cables, with focus on power cables but also speaker cable. I'll let you know the outcome/Mike |