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RE: Phantoms and home cinema - AdamInHiltonHead - 27-Oct-2015 Hi All - I've had my 2 Silver Phantoms, Dialogue and Remote for about a month. The first couple of weeks were very frustrating. Now I'm much happier. Let me share what helped me - then I need some advice:
I will be happy to help further - just let me know! I'd be happy to send (or post) a simple diagram of the proper setup if anyone asks. Now I have a question. I have computer experience but I am a new Phantom and newbie Audiophile. I do have an awesome 2-channel vintage system with an original Conrad Johnson Premier One Power Amp. I also collect headphones and my Deckard Amp and Audeze LCD-X's are my favorite setup. But up until this point in my music life - I've never used Toslink or Optical Audio much. Even my hi-end Audeze setups are still using a hi end USB Audio Transfer from source to DAP/AMP. When I went to hook up my bedroom TV to my Phantoms - I found it odd that the Devialet White Paper refers to connecting the source to one of the Phantoms (Silver in my case) rather then from the Source to the Dialogue. But I did connect the Optical Out from the One Connect Box on my Samsung 4k TV to the Phantom and it worked. I have not tried the mini Toslink via Apple Device to Phantom - as I do not want to be tethered from either my iPhone or Macbook. Ultimately - I didn't get the delay - that I'm reading about here in the Forums until tonight - the 2nd night I had the Toslink from TV to Phantom Setup. Thus I disconnected it - I would not sit through that! Further - I read somewhere that our Dialogue USB Port is not active yet. But my Standard Optical (Toslink) Cable had a 'boot' just below that actual head that stopped my Cable from seating itself into the Dialogue. For any of you iPhone users - if you've ever had a Lifeproof Case and realized that only Apple Brand (now a few IXCCs that I've found) will plug into the lighting Port with the Lifeproof Case on). Was my problem that I just had a cable that was too fat? Will most Optical Cables plus into the Dialogue typically? Or does this really not matter - did the Devialet White Paper show me to connect the Toslink from the Source to a Phantom on purpose? Are we not able to connect from our sources directly into the Dialogue? Please help! By the way - I love my Silver Phantoms - I literally have to bypass a couple of Glass Break Sensors (sensors that literally listen for a burglar breaking the windows) in my bedroom - even when the alarm isn't armed - when I listen to my Phantoms up loud! But I love Bass - so this evening - I started trying to use an Optical Audio Splitter and a Russound X1-TX8 Transmitter (and RX-2 Receiver - because I don't want to run a cable to my subwoofer, I want a wireless link that I can lock onto a desired frequency (away from my other network/s) and the Russound permits me to pass from Optical Out via a super stable platform to a receiver that will pass analog back to my Sub) to add my Revel Premium Subwoofer into my 2 channel Phantom/Dialogue setup when I'm streaming Tidal. I'm using the simple optical splitter because I am NOT using any other equipment that I don't need and don't want to interfere with the great sound hi-resolution Tidal and my Phantoms are giving me. I bring this up because I'm sure some of you are ahead of me in trying to configure your Phantoms with media and I want to be able to add more Bass to my Phantoms without turning them up super loud. Devialet would probably cringe at the idea of me adding 'extra bass' to a natural sound environment - but - it is what it is! And trust me the Revel isn't exactly junking up the place - inserting just a little extra bass from arguably one of the best subwoofers in the World isn't too sloppy! Please share your thoughts about connecting Digital/Optical/Toslink Source to the Phantom - or whether or not we 'actually can' connect to the Dialogue itself? Please tell me if my Optical Cable didn't seat into my Dialogue because I just had an oversized shielding/boot to my Toslink Cable? I want to understand this! RE: Phantoms and home cinema - Gremlin - 27-Oct-2015 So you have to buy an Apple router as well as the Phantoms and dialog. If that's the case, then Devialet can go hang - I ain't ever going to buy. Luckily for Devialet, you seem to be wrong. I'm only going by other posts, but a few people seem to be managing without Apple kit. I'm glad that you are happy, but if what you say is true... RE: Phantoms and home cinema - fgueho - 27-Oct-2015 Isn't this thread about home cinema? RE: Phantoms and home cinema - rjalder - 28-Oct-2015 I asked Devialet tech support to clarify how to set up 2 phantoms with a TV and get no audio delay. Their Oct 26 reply: Your questions have been reviewed and our technical department has responded with this answer for you below: Phantom has a constant latency of 160ms regardless of the source (optical/Bluetooth or Spark). Every devices usually possesses its own latency. Several solutions exist to compensate this lag. For instance, most televisions allow you to adjust audio and video synchronization (often called A/V sync or Lip sync) For an audio/video use, it is up to the user to synchronize the image and sound. In order to do so, several solutions exist : From a TV using an HDMI signal or from a tuner. Simply adjust the latency on the TV to 160ms. From a TV using an HDMI signal from a router (if it has an optical output). Use the optical output of the router (which can be set in advance with respect to the video) and possibly also adjust the latency on the TV. From a computer. A player like VLC adjusts precisely latency audio and video streams separately. From a DVD deck or Blu-Ray. Some models (such as OPPO-103 for instance) are able to handle the audio / video latency at a rate of +/- 200 ms, that is to say in the range of what we have to correct. For more information, please visit our support site Devialet Support RE: Phantoms and home cinema - fgueho - 28-Oct-2015 Good joke from Devialet support. Well, it's more like a running gag... They have already replied me the same thing, and I have already told them they are wrong. Which they perfectly know. On a TV or a receiver or a dvd/bluray player, you can only adjust a positive audio delay, not a negative audio delay (or a video delay). So it is useless for the phantoms... It seems to me they won't never bother to resolve this problem... RE: Phantoms and home cinema - eibet - 28-Oct-2015 Hello. Any opinions on how this would work in reality. Digital signal to surround receiver. analog signal from front speakers rca output on receiver to ADC. Digital signal from adc to Phantom/Dialog. Rear and center speaker signal from receiver speaker output to rear and center speaker. The receiver has a microphone for checking delay on all speakers connected. Do you think this could work? Would be fun to try a surround setup using the phantoms and I have a receiver lying around my house. RE: Phantoms and home cinema - rjalder - 29-Oct-2015 (28-Oct-2015, 10:39)fgueho Wrote: Good joke from Devialet support. Well, it's more like a running gag...For those of us not familiar, could you pls describe the concept of positive vs negative audio delay? Re positive, hard to understand why audio would ever present earlier than video, if that is the concept. Anyone ....comments please! Thank you. RE: Phantoms and home cinema - fgueho - 29-Oct-2015 Well, in 99% of lipsync problem, the audio is present before video. Because some TV has a huge delay in order to treat the video signal... But Devialet is stronger than anyone. They have managed to reverse the problem! RE: Phantoms and home cinema - bearcatsandor - 02-Nov-2015 So, does this mean that they are essentially useless for video playback even though they have a 5.1 mode!? Why does this problem exist even with optical input. It is buffering that much? Devialet told me that these speakers had wordclocks in therm. RE: Phantoms and home cinema - fgueho - 02-Nov-2015 There is no problem with an HTPC (because you can set a video delay), just with TV and Blu-ray... |