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RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - f1eng - 19-Oct-2015 (19-Oct-2015, 17:53)GuillaumeB Wrote:(19-Oct-2015, 16:36)Antoine Wrote:(19-Oct-2015, 07:05)ogs Wrote: Are you saying that you connect the Linn DAC to the line input of your D250? You do realise that the signal is then going through the D250 ADC and DAC on its way to the speakers? There is no way to bypass the internal DAC of the Devialet design. You can connect a digital source and avoid the ADC, but if you use an analog signal (phono or line inputs) the signal will be digitised for processing in DSP. One can not get any more transparent than transparent! A friend who is a consulting engineer and designs a lot of kit for several well known brands has done quite a few experiments to investigate the audible effects of adding various colourations. The actual audible impression is by no means always what one might expect. It was kicked off originally to investigate why LPs sound so nice despite being technically weak with significant colourations and distortions. He told me that adding a bit of noise, but particularly music-correlated noise (whatever that is), gives a bigger stereo image, and the impression of more spatial detail, so does slight compression (done on LPs to keep the ambient information out of the background noise). I am as close to 100% sure as I can be that any digital source which is preferred into the analogue input must be adding some type of colour or euphonic distortion. I can think of no other sound explanation. RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - Stigmater - 05-Nov-2015 (23-Sep-2015, 12:39)Confused Wrote: Stigmater - For comparison, have you tried using the Akurate's digital output direct to the Devialet. Hence by-passing the Linn's DAC, and going direct to the Devialet DAC. Might be interesting? This is certainly more of a "purist" approach, than using an external DAC. (23-Sep-2015, 13:09)Antoine Wrote:(22-Sep-2015, 19:58)dubselect Wrote: Interesting. Is it possible to disable internal ADC and use Devialet as a pure integrated amp or pure power amp? (23-Sep-2015, 14:44)GuillaumeB Wrote: FWIW in this discussion I came from an all-Linn Klimax system. (19-Oct-2015, 21:31)JeanF Wrote:(18-Oct-2015, 23:08)Stigmater Wrote: Hi and welcome, I can share my little experience,Thanks for your extensive reply Stigmater. I Can share some more interesting insights from my side, and i hope JeanF will let me use his thread for further comparison D200 - D250 and now D800 (and maybe even will change the header) Thanks in advance. So week ago i took home another D250 for demo and now i have D800 , For some reason i didn’t get the WOW effect, I have a little hard to drive speakers, i thought D800 will do the magic, but sadly it didn’t happened. I spent some sleepless nights in comparing the D250 and D800 so i could understand if i'm willing to go for such upgrade, or not. At first master and slave was connected with some cheap SPDIF cable, i thought that i should change it to something descent before i'll return the unit. I took from another dealer Stealth SPDIF cable and after connecting it i thought that i here a real difference now , but after playing a little more with swapping cables and D250 vs D800 i once again can’t decide if im hearing the difference or not, maybe i do hear the deference and i think that D800 maybe a little better , but the difference is really not big. I know that people here that their opinion is important to me are really like and think that's D800 is the best thing at this price point that money can buy or at least one of the best, and im agree, even though i didn’t test a lot of hi end amps at my place. I expected the major impact to be on the bass of my speakers i expected it to be more cleaner and tight and i really can’t say if i get it. The question is , what I’m missing here is it expected that the difference between D250 and D800 is really not big. RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - GuillaumeB - 05-Nov-2015 A couple of questions Stigmater - 1) Have you checked in the configurator that your amps are outputting 800W per channel? Might seem like a silly question but I actually made that mistake myself, for some reason the system had defaulted to 240W (at the time I had the 500). I also had my amps running in mono mode at one point... but that's a different story! Anyway the point is it's a good idea to double check all your settings in the Configurator. 2) How are you feeding the master - via the Linn Akurate? If so is this a digital out or a RCA connection (i.e. analogue). If digital make sure you choose digital output mode 88/96kHz - you can do this through Linn's Konfig programme. Also you mention that your speakers are hard to drive but according to the specs I found they seem pretty sensitive (90dB) and drop to 3 ohms minimum, so that shouldn't present too tough a load. Having said that I would expect a considerable improvement in SQ going from 250 to 800. Guillaume RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - Stigmater - 05-Nov-2015 (05-Nov-2015, 17:51)GuillaumeB Wrote: A couple of questions Stigmater - Hi Guillaume 1) Even though I was sure regarding the 800W I double checked it and of course it's 800W 2) Regarding the connection, right now I have enabled digital and analog out in Linn and I'm checking which one is better, here a little more on it from Linn Akurate thread http://devialetchat.com/showthread.php?tid=815&page=8 Can you please explain some more regarding digital output mode 88/96kHz , i had it set as RAW so it will match files bit perfect. 3) B&W 802 known as speaker that hungry for power, at first when I had D200 they were bright and really unpleasant to listen , diamond tweeter was very harsh aspecially when high frequency more audible to my relatively young ears , D250 changed all that and Linn added some more magic. When I switched to D800 I expected to elevate good to best and I don't understand why I'm still standing in good + 15% I'm still have 2-3 days to test my system and I really want to come to wise decision. RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - kerkhoffd - 05-Nov-2015 Interesting read. Was wondering the same thing. I had a D200 here today to listen to, and must admit that I didn't have the right digital cable to connect my Linn Akurate DS/1 to the D200 and so had to use analog RCA. I must say I was a bit underwelmed in comparison of the D200 with digital out of a Naim NDX and my first impression of the D200 at my dealers'. In that light I was just wondering, Guillaume, what's the reason the Linn's digital output mode should be set at fixed 88/96khz and not use the RAW or fixed 176/192khz mode option. I will be trying to find an adapter to connect my digital cable to the Akurate as soon as possible to be able to audition the D200 at it's best. If that still doesn't bring the magic I was expecting, I might try a D250 too. RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - Confused - 05-Nov-2015 Probably a really stupid question from me, but here goes. You have connected the speakers to the correct terminals when in dual mono mode? It is a little odd connecting one black plug into a red socket! Also, what other amps have you tried with the B&W's? One thing occurs to me, maybe the speakers just never will provide what you are looking for? RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - Stigmater - 05-Nov-2015 (05-Nov-2015, 22:14)Confused Wrote: Probably a really stupid question from me, but here goes. You have connected the speakers to the correct terminals when in dual mono mode? It is a little odd connecting one black plug into a red socket! Confused, as I said in my last post, the sound is not bad , not bad at all , it's just not as good as I expected. when I put 12900€ + tax in upgrade, I expect it to be justify. And regarding your technical questions, everything is connected in correct way 100%. Regarding other amps , other then all Devialet line I only tried Luxman 700 pre + power and I didn't like it. Maybe I need to listen to some more good speakers to understand that mine no worse. By the way I auditioned Q3 with mine D250 and found it too analytical and bright for my taste, but it has maybe the best bass in terms of accuracy and resolution. RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - Confused - 05-Nov-2015 Yes, I thought it was probably a stupid question on my part, but you never know. As for trying other speakers, well worth the effort I would have thought. The price of a companion would go a long way towards some interesting options. I would suggest the KEF Blade, but I am very biased as they suit my preferences splendidly. They do work well with he D250 though. Although if you start the question of speaker options for the D250/800 here, it might be like opening Pandora's box! RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - Stigmater - 06-Nov-2015 Confused, Trying different speakers it's ain't easy task, right now I'm pretty happy with the result that I got with my diamonds, what's more bothers me it's the amps, I believe that with good amp you can make almost any speaker to sing. Right now I have option to audition at my home Luxman 900 or Constellation Insperation the entry model, If someone listened and knows how it compares to D800 or D250 it will be very interesting. Confused Can you please share your experience with trying different amps before Devialet and your conclusions. RE: Sound differences between Devialet 200 and Devialet 250 - Stigmater - 06-Nov-2015 (05-Nov-2015, 17:51)GuillaumeB Wrote: A couple of questions Stigmater - Guillaume I set output mode to 88/96KHz and I like it so far, bass is more defined and clear then with analog out and overall presentation is less harsh then when it was set to raw. |