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RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - IanG-UK - 22-Aug-2014 There may still be a PS Audio Power Plant Premier for sale here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?30060-PS-Audio-Power-Plant-Premier-(PPP)-for-sale RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - Krorghar - 25-Aug-2014 (22-Aug-2014, 12:16)IanG-UK Wrote: There may still be a PS Audio Power Plant Premier for sale here: UK power sockets, I live in Spain, need Schukos , but many thanks Re: RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - amabrok - 25-Nov-2014 (16-Aug-2014, 16:04)Kunter Wrote: Krorghar,Thanks a lot Kunter! This was a big enlightenment for me [WHITE SMILING FACE] RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - Confused - 25-Nov-2014 Yes, an excellent post Kunter! So, this begs the question, is there anything you can buy that would improve the performance of the Devialet without restricting its dynamic performance? I guess a mains conditioner might be a good idea to isolate other "front end" kit from from the "noisy" Devialet power? From what I've read, a dedicated mains spur looks like a good idea. Any other good ideas? RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - Borgen - 26-Nov-2014 Agree that Kunter sums the challenges up very well. My personal, unproven take on this is that: 1. The Devialet SPMPS is very noisy (I believe this is commonly agreed upon/ proven). Obviously the engineers at Devialet has gone to great lengths to isolate the internal electronics in the Devialet from this noise and I have a hard time understanding that a power conditioner would add any significant benefit other than perhaps change the coloring of sound, which for some might be what they want. 2. Source components like preamp and DACs are most sensitive to electronic noise and also draw sufficiently little current to hopefully not be impacted by the "slowness" of a filter/ conditioner. Hence, I would expect the ideal solution to be to put a conditioner in front of the source, isolating it from the Devialet and other sources of noise and then connect the Devialet directly to the wall wart. I am hoping that someone with access to a good conditioner could be bothered to test this theory. RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - IanG-UK - 26-Nov-2014 You can find some tests on the Shunyata Research site showing how their Typhon/Triton gives faster rise times than a normal power supply; or on PS Audio that show a regenerator gives a purer sine wave than a normal power supply. There were also tests published long ago to show that a Quad ESL63 could deliver a square wave out if the audio input was a square wave in - something which most speakers get nowhere close to. What I cannot find are those things linked - dirty mains in giving dirty speaker square wave out, and clean giving clean. RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - PhilP - 26-Nov-2014 I wonder whether the equipment that Devialet use for measuring speakers for SAM would be capable of picking up the differences between power filters. If dynamics are being limited by the filters then this should be fairly easy to measure. Audible differences in sound when comparing clean to 'dirty' mains should, of course, also be measurable. RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - madumm - 02-Jan-2015 Power amps, and such should plug and draw directly from wall. Agreed. However, for more low powered and sensitive devices like PC/DAC/CDPlayer, where power drawn is not more than what it already needs, required clean power. For Devialet, it has both (or 4 in one). Power amp/ Pre (Power hungry), DAC and WIFI/Ethernet modules (more sensitive) So I am 50% on getting a filter... haha. Doesn't get worse than it is. I decided to leave it, but maybe get a better power cable from Siltech... RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - Mikeeo - 02-Jan-2015 I know I've already said this before elsewhere but I do believe one of the most cost effective upgrades you can carry out is installing a dedicated consumer unit/distribution board for your hi-fi circuits. If this is not possible then at the very least I would look into having one or two dedicated spurs running from your existing CU. I use Furutech GTX-D ® wall sockets: http://www.furutech.com/2013/02/02/1746/ Guillaume [/quote] Hi, I can second that as a dedicated spur at the consumer unit with a dedicated run of mains cable made the biggest impact in my system. If you can go for that economically do that but the longer run of dedicated mains cable the more cost of course. With dedicated spur, double outlets, 9 meters mains cable and installation I spent about 1000 EUR. Even our tv got much better picture (colors, contrast, sharpness etc) from this and system just sounds so more composed. I use the Rhodium outlet from Furutech as for me it gives a 'cleaner' sound signature. Here's a link to the mains cable I use: http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Audience%20Conductor%20AC%20Power%20Cable%20for%20install.htm /Mike (17-Aug-2014, 10:01)Kunter Wrote:(16-Aug-2014, 20:04)Krorghar Wrote: Many thanks for the explanation Kunter, didn't knew that. So filtering is a bad iddea then for the Devialet. Which power cord could you advice pls? And any Isolation transformer? budget about 1000€, don't want to spend more in this Area. Mike here, JPS Kaptovator is a very good one and was the first PC that showed me that PC has a strong place in the system. It is a very dynamic cable with lots of kick. However I went on to the Sablon Petit Coronas (with the Oyaide 004 plugs) which was a step up from the Kaptovator as it added small details in the whole freq spectrum and sounds a bit more balanced. It takes some time to realize that it a very good pc. the only thing I miss with Kaptovator is the slam factor but I suspect this was more a coloration issue with the Kaptovator. Cheers (17-Aug-2014, 16:24)Krorghar Wrote: Many thanks Kunter, will do. Hi, For me Rhodium works better than the gold version as in my dedicated mains system had one gold and one rhodium so I can compare directly. Rhodium gives a more clear delivery without being analytic or disturbing at the top freq. I use the gold outlet for TV and movie system (Oppo player). /Mike (15-Aug-2014, 21:03)Krorghar Wrote: Hi again friends. Hi, With a dedicated mains system I probably would say that any filter would be of negative effect as already commented on. With dedicated mains system I would recommend a good quality mains distribution box that has a star configured wiring inside, contacts should be of same quality as the wall unit. /Mike RE: Power Filter Advice for a Dev 200 pls? - Gentleman - 03-Jan-2015 Hi folks. I don't want to be boring but you should give the PS AUDIO powerplants a try as well. Once you have seen the measurements on the display of the larger PS AUDIOs yourself you will understand the results much easier. And if you hear the difference it makes in a nice DEVIALET setup you will soon be convinced, too. My friends and I use these powerplants in all of our DEVIALET setups and the SQ improved a lot. In former times we have tried other "classical" filters as well but nothing worked so nicely in every setup under all kind of conditions like the PS AUDIOs do. We have compared expensive rhodium power lines with the PS AUDIOs too but we all prefer the powerplants for SQ reasons (despite the high prices). Besides, we swear on FURUTECHS 50-series rhodium power plugs and the matching wall sockets. The benefit is normally really huge. Finally I would like to mention that I live in Germany and maybe the subject is special because of the SCHUKO-plugs we use. Some say we "suffer" also from the lots of alternative "green" power we are supplied with nowadays..... In Dubio Pro Audio Jan |