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RE: Munich 2018 - RebelMan - 15-May-2018 (15-May-2018, 16:01)zdenes Wrote:It is also a superb source. That's why the engineer (as am I) "politely" stated what he did. If you want to debate the matter further we'll probably need to take it up in a new thread.(15-May-2018, 15:50)RebelMan Wrote:Nothing wrong with a Macbook. I have a Macbook Pro myself. A perfect laptop computer.(14-May-2018, 19:55)zdenes Wrote: Mathieu said that "the Devialet is true/transparent to the source" i.e. if you improve the source you improve the SQ. When they demoed the EUR160K system with a Macbook and a 5m USB cable (for printers) I asked why they don't improve the source. His answer was that "let's say that this is the minimum performance of the system".That's because there is nothing wrong with the source. RE: Munich 2018 - Mr_Bill - 15-May-2018 (07-Dec-2017, 19:28)Wdw Wrote:(07-Dec-2017, 18:38)Confused Wrote:I easily second @Damon's comments and observations.(07-Dec-2017, 17:57)Damon Wrote: Morning all,@Damon Thank you for your clear, lucid & reliable comments. Good stuff! One point to clarify, am I right in assuming that you were listening via 'new' AIR? (15-May-2018, 13:17)ssfas Wrote:(15-May-2018, 12:11)GuillaumeB Wrote:(15-May-2018, 10:57)IanG-UK Wrote: The last time I heard that mentioned was a year ago, maybe two. I wasn't mentioned at all in Munich and with the sense that they now recognised that Expert and Phantom appeal to two distinct populations I'm not sure it is still on the agenda. Do you have to use the new 12.2.12 beta firmware for UPNP to work?? RE: Munich 2018 - ssfas - 15-May-2018 (15-May-2018, 17:30)Mr_Bill Wrote:(07-Dec-2017, 19:28)Wdw Wrote:(07-Dec-2017, 18:38)Confused Wrote: @Damon Thank you for your clear, lucid & reliable comments. Good stuff! One point to clarify, am I right in assuming that you were listening via 'new' AIR?I easily second @Damon's comments and observations. uPnP worked with the second beta (February 2018). The third beta did not work, probably my fault as I had wifi enabled in the configuration and was using ethernet, which was not a problem with the second beta. RE: Munich 2018 - IanG-UK - 15-May-2018 (15-May-2018, 12:48)zdenes Wrote: They made promises for an online configurator, wifi board, etc. All in all, I must say that many (perhaps not all) were delivered with often long delays and bugs. But, if you look at the whole picture, name another hi-fi brand that upgrades firmware every 2-4 months, many times with new functions, and offers upgrades to hardware every 3 years or so. Good post. Devialet are trying to do stuff which customers have never had in the past so it is an untested model. In the fullness of time it might prove to be the right model as the low-to-mid hifi retailers get squeezed out by Amazon and the high end hifi is more reliant on customer/manufacturer liaison. In the UK I bet less than half Devialet's UK retailers can really explain what a Devialet can do. And few have time to learn it. So why have an amateur in the communication chain when you have one or two experts at the ends? I agree with Zoltan's summary with the proviso that it all takes time, internally, through sourcing, with distributors and dealers, with customers. If they deliver it within the rest of 2018 it will be quite an achievement. (Zoltan - I did ask Joachim a quick question about the communication lines and he said this needed to be more through the dealers, but this does not work if it is merely a conduit so the dealers need training and/or reducing in number) RE: Munich 2018 - ssfas - 15-May-2018 (15-May-2018, 15:59)RebelMan Wrote:(14-May-2018, 20:10)ssfas Wrote:(14-May-2018, 19:55)zdenes Wrote: As one of the magnificent seven being there in Munich (Literally. Not the magnificent, the seven) I think I am obliged to cover some areas that have not been mentioned. One being using different sources rather than streaming with AIR.Totally confused here as I have no idea about broadcast protocols and where the bits go. Thanks for that. I assume people here have to spend significant sums to use usb devices supporting Roon. The tech people at Devialet have been emailing me about uPnP and any problems I may have with it. They seem focused on getting it 100% faultless, and they are not far off, the problems seem to be more with the third party apps than Devialet. MCRU made me a PSU for the ASUS RT-AC86U (I think) access point. It's connected to my modem by a long cable and to my Devialet by a short one. That's it for music. RE: Munich 2018 - Hifi_swlon - 15-May-2018 (15-May-2018, 17:08)RebelMan Wrote:(15-May-2018, 16:01)zdenes Wrote:It is also a superb source. That's why the engineer (as am I) "politely" stated what he did. If you want to debate the matter further we'll probably need to take it up in a new thread.(15-May-2018, 15:50)RebelMan Wrote: That's because there is nothing wrong with the source.Nothing wrong with a Macbook. I have a Macbook Pro myself. A perfect laptop computer. We’re in the wrong place for this discussion, but Archimagos latest post on USB measurements show the MacBook to be unexpectedly poor (ie noisy). Nothing was implied about sonic effects as these weren’t measured but I have to say I was pretty surprised. Maybe time for another USB thread? RE: Munich 2018 - IanG-UK - 15-May-2018 (15-May-2018, 20:21)Hifi_swlon Wrote:(15-May-2018, 17:08)RebelMan Wrote:(15-May-2018, 16:01)zdenes Wrote: Nothing wrong with a Macbook. I have a Macbook Pro myself. A perfect laptop computer.It is also a superb source. That's why the engineer (as am I) "politely" stated what he did. If you want to debate the matter further we'll probably need to take it up in a new thread. Actually I think it is a good place to cover this MacBook issue, if only in the context of how Devialet's position has quietly changed. For years, Mathieu sad that a MacBook was perfectly ok as a source. I can't remember a Devialet demonstration (other than at a dealer) where Devialet used anything else. But now, their stance is along the lines of "use what you want if you are happy with it" (from Joachim) and "MacBook is the minimum" (as reported by Zoltan though perhaps in only a personal conversation with Mathieu). Of course, this new stance by Devialet is commercially sensible, even if some in your organisation think otherwise. If you don't make a source, why potentially alienate some potential customers by saying "a MacBook is perfectly ok" if the customer's views are firmly different? I remember Quad taking a similar intransigent stance years ago. I seem to recall them saying CDs were better than vinyl - when Quad didn't make either a CD player or a turntable - which alienated potential Linn-owning customers who loved their LP12s; or by them saying that speaker cables didn't matter so alienating those who thought they did. Quad should have been one of the most financially robust hifi businesses in the UK but (not just for this intransigence, of course) they went bust. I've a MacBook and an Antipodes and I use both. Any differences which I might hear (and I can't be bothered to compare them really) are swamped by differences one can make in room, speaker position, listening position, precision of correct volume level, ... (the list goes on). In my opinion, but it's fine if others think differently! RE: Munich 2018 - Hifi_swlon - 15-May-2018 I think not getting involved in the debate seems sensible in business terms as you say, but I’d love it if a company like Devialet (or dCS or anything be with high standing in the DA measurement area) would come out and show something about the subject based on evidence. Even if it was just a ‘we measured a mac, agaibst other options, fed into our hardware and found these results’ with grams and data of source ‘quality’ vs analogue output measurements. There are so few people that could do it that it would be a really interesting thing for them to put out there. Ok so if there were differences perhaps some could say their usb input wasn’t filtered enough or whatever but I just think it would help the debate and stop all this guesswork and things based on hearsay (to a degree). As let’s face it it’s not trivial stuff to understand and or test at the home user level. The same for dcs. They seem pretty straight talking to me, yet I read comments like ‘the Vivaldi stack really needs circa 10k of cables to shine’ why don’t dcs show exactly if and what the differences are with stock cables etc, they’re self proclaimed FFT analysis experts after all. Anyway, sorry for adding more OT stuff. And yeah for me the room correction and even slight PEq adjustments make more of adifference than anything else but it’s still good to understand. RE: Munich 2018 - RebelMan - 16-May-2018 (15-May-2018, 20:21)Hifi_swlon Wrote:(15-May-2018, 17:08)RebelMan Wrote:(15-May-2018, 16:01)zdenes Wrote: Nothing wrong with a Macbook. I have a Macbook Pro myself. A perfect laptop computer.It is also a superb source. That's why the engineer (as am I) "politely" stated what he did. If you want to debate the matter further we'll probably need to take it up in a new thread. Also absent was a discussion of transfer modes and how the noise might manifest itself in the resultant signal. Without this data no conclusions can be made on audio quality. RE: Munich 2018 - RebelMan - 16-May-2018 (15-May-2018, 21:24)IanG-UK Wrote: I've a MacBook and an Antipodes and I use both. Any differences which I might hear (and I can't be bothered to compare them really) are swamped by differences one can make in room, speaker position, listening position, precision of correct volume level, ... (the list goes on). Indeed!!! |