(05-Jan-2020, 00:55)Snoopy8 Wrote: @Superdad, welcome to the forum.

(05-Jan-2020, 00:55)Snoopy8 Wrote: @Superdad, welcome to the forum. 

Compared with many forums, we have had a relatively tame thread on the EtherREGEN and people here have had a civil, but at times long winded, discussion.  It is a reflection of this community that we do not need heavy moderation and threads have not been shutdown.

(04-Jan-2020, 23:08)Superda Wrote: Hi David:
Alex from UpTone here.
I need to correct you on your above speculation. As of this morning we have 396 unfilled EtherREGEN orders (putting us over the 1,000 units order mark), not counting the forward orders that our dealers have scheduled for coming months. Of those, only 98 of them were placed prior to first users receiving their units and beginning to post their impressions on November 9th.
So yes, about 600 units were ordered based on:
a) our extreme openness about the unique technical design;
b) faith in our firm having produced (and delivered on time) a number of other groundbreaking products in the past;
c) the reasonable price of the EtherREGEN combined with our 30-day, money-back guarantee.
But as you can see, a lot of orders have been based on subsequent user reviews.

As for anybody who thinks that we are limiting production as a "marketing strategy" to generate interest or demand, all I can say is that notion can only come from people who have never produced and sold products. Available products always sell faster than products on long back-order. There are a half-dozen factors limiting our production capacity (including world shortage of expensive differential isolators and one-of-a-kind differential flip-flops), not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars swings involved in pre-paying for production parts.

There are a number of other factually incorrect postulations that I spotted when I read this entire long thread last night, but for now I will let them slide. I simply have too much work to do this weekend--assuring that all 250 of the January-promised EtherREGENs get built and shipped out on time, as well as 20 JS-2s.
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You and others have brought up ASR several times:
The trouble with the folks at AudioScienceReview is they do not understand, nor do they seem interested in learning about, the underlying issues of how common-mode deterministic jitter propagates in audio systems--including on packet-data interfaces such as Ethernet and USB—and thus induces voltage-change noise on ground-planes PCBs and chips, resulting in movement of clock thresholds.

People at ASR understand only the bits and the networking. But that is not what people are hearing with EtherREGEN and other clocking and digital cabling products.  So they shout blindly and call us “snake oil.”  Just remember all the medical scientists who were ridiculed when they first told others about germs…
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I could go on, but there is no point. We will be publishing a bit about the theory behind this stuff--and it applies not just to the EtherREGEN, but to other Ethernet and USB devices--as well as some interesting measurements. The fingers-in-their-ears naysayers—at ASR and elsewhere—will still just dismiss and deride it, but that’s okay.  What the EtherREGEN does is VERY easy to hear and users are quite happy.

(04-Jan-2020, 23:08)Superdad Wrote: The trouble with the folks at AudioScienceReview is they do not understand, nor do they seem interested in learning about, the underlying issues of how common-mode deterministic jitter propagates in audio systems--including on packet-data interfaces such as Ethernet and USB—and thus induces voltage-change noise on ground-planes PCBs and chips, resulting in movement of clock thresholds.

(04-Jan-2020, 23:08)Superdad Wrote: There are a number of other factually incorrect postulations that I spotted when I read this entire long thread last night, but for now I will let them slide. I simply have too much work to do this weekend--assuring that all 250 of the January-promised EtherREGENs get built and shipped out on time, as well as 20 JS-2s.

I could go on, but there is no point. We will be publishing a bit about the theory behind this stuff--and it applies not just to the EtherREGEN, but to other Ethernet and USB devices--as well as some interesting measurements. The fingers-in-their-ears naysayers—at ASR and elsewhere—will still just dismiss and deride it, but that’s okay.  What the EtherREGEN does is VERY easy to hear and users are quite happy.

(05-Jan-2020, 13:20)Confused Wrote: Alex - Can I too offer a warm welcome to the forum.  Manufacturer involvement is typically very welcome here (as long as industry affiliation is stated, as you have done).  I think Devialet have a lot to learn from level and type of forum engagement that is seen from UpTone Audio, it is fair to say that you are at opposite ends of a very broad spectrum here.  

Anyway, if there are some factually incorrect postulations in this thread, I for one would most welcome seeing them challenged or corrected.  (Even if they are mine!)  Facts are good, and we are all learning here.  When you have time of course, I do not want this to delay the shipment of @David A's EtherRegen.     (and David, for what its worth, I think Alex did misinterpret your words somewhat, although Alex's words re EtherRegen sales were interesting nevertheless) 

Regarding the last paragraph I have quoted above, I look forward to reading whatever you get to publish.  I can at this point also mention that I have had quite a bit of time recently listen to my system with the EtherRegen in place, subjectively to my ears it is definitely making a very positive improvement to the enjoyment to my system, certainly more so than I picked up with quick A/B testing.  So as a subjectively happy EtherRegen user, it is always great to get a better understanding of the mechanisms in place here.

(05-Jan-2020, 19:48)baconbrain Wrote:

(05-Jan-2020, 13:20)Confused Wrote: Alex - Can I too offer a warm welcome to the forum.  Manufacturer involvement is typically very welcome here (as long as industry affiliation is stated, as you have done).  I think Devialet have a lot to learn from level and type of forum engagement that is seen from UpTone Audio, it is fair to say that you are at opposite ends of a very broad spectrum here.  

Anyway, if there are some factually incorrect postulations in this thread, I for one would most welcome seeing them challenged or corrected.  (Even if they are mine!)  Facts are good, and we are all learning here.  When you have time of course, I do not want this to delay the shipment of @David A's EtherRegen.     (and David, for what its worth, I think Alex did misinterpret your words somewhat, although Alex's words re EtherRegen sales were interesting nevertheless) 

Regarding the last paragraph I have quoted above, I look forward to reading whatever you get to publish.  I can at this point also mention that I have had quite a bit of time recently listen to my system with the EtherRegen in place, subjectively to my ears it is definitely making a very positive improvement to the enjoyment to my system, certainly more so than I picked up with quick A/B testing.  So as a subjectively happy EtherRegen user, it is always great to get a better understanding of the mechanisms in place here.

So much for my New Year‘s Resolution and realize I am not going to probably get any plus points for the following but ...

Honestly, with exception of Devialet, I would prefer to see less Manufacturers’ participation in this forum as opposed to more. If I want to interact directly with a manufacturer then I can go to another forum / their specific site.

Also strange to correct „incorrect postulations“ in this thread with facts. Which facts? With exception of sales related information, I haven‘t seen any yet.