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RE: Sweet Room - tategoi - 07-Dec-2020
Thanks for the suggestion. I try not to introduce a subwoofer, getting 2 speakers right is hard enough, now I have to get all 3 right
I’ll find time to play with the positioning. I had been toggling between 3 and 5 filters and I am leaning towards the former. What I had discovered from the Umik-1/REW exercise is less is more. The fewer filters I used, the more focused it gets and the more natural it sounds. No Sweet Room is most neutral but had give and take to strike a balance.
Unsweetened Room | Sweet Room with 3 filters | 5 filters
Strangely, it seems that the 5th filter is not being utilised, with SAM enabled but set at 0%.
RE: Sweet Room - jvoki - 07-Dec-2020
(07-Dec-2020, 14:54)tategoi Wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. I try not to introduce a subwoofer, getting 2 speakers right is hard enough, now I have to get all 3 rightHi @tategoi
I had been toggling between 3 and 5 filters and I am leaning towards the former. What I had discovered from the Umik-1/REW exercise is less is more. The fewer filters I used, the more focused it gets and the more natural it sounds. No Sweet Room is most neutral but had give and take to strike a balance.
Unsweetened Room | Sweet Room with 3 filters | 5 filters
Strangely, it seems that the 5th filter is not being utilised, with SAM enabled but set at 0%.
Are You using Roon? Did You try DSD in Roon wit full convolution filter?
You will see what is possible. That's very close to Dirac.
Sweet room is a ticket to digital correction.
RE: Sweet Room - ICUDoc - 08-Dec-2020
(07-Dec-2020, 23:18)jvoki Wrote: Did You try DSD in Roon wit full convolution filter?
You will see what is possible. That's very close to Dirac.
jvoki, where is the DSP carried out when you do it in Roon? On the computer or in the Devialet?
RE: Sweet Room - David A - 08-Dec-2020
(08-Dec-2020, 04:01)ICUDoc Wrote:(07-Dec-2020, 23:18)jvoki Wrote: Did You try DSD in Roon wit full convolution filter?
You will see what is possible. That's very close to Dirac.
jvoki, where is the DSP carried out when you do it in Roon? On the computer or in the Devialet?
On whatever computer is running Roon. It's a Roon function, not a Devialet function. Because of that it only works for music played by Roon.
RE: Sweet Room - jvoki - 08-Dec-2020
(08-Dec-2020, 04:01)ICUDoc Wrote:(07-Dec-2020, 23:18)jvoki Wrote: Did You try DSD in Roon wit full convolution filter?
You will see what is possible. That's very close to Dirac.
jvoki, where is the DSP carried out when you do it in Roon? On the computer or in the Devialet?
Roon is computer side, but for understanding how DSP work, and it doesn't matter if it's on a computer, dsp filter or Devialet. It is a set of several options and to understand what a graphical filter looks like assembled with a parameter from a measurement.
RE: Sweet Room - tategoi - 08-Dec-2020
(07-Dec-2020, 23:18)jvoki Wrote:(07-Dec-2020, 14:54)tategoi Wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. I try not to introduce a subwoofer, getting 2 speakers right is hard enough, now I have to get all 3 rightHi @tategoi
I had been toggling between 3 and 5 filters and I am leaning towards the former. What I had discovered from the Umik-1/REW exercise is less is more. The fewer filters I used, the more focused it gets and the more natural it sounds. No Sweet Room is most neutral but had give and take to strike a balance.
Unsweetened Room | Sweet Room with 3 filters | 5 filters
Strangely, it seems that the 5th filter is not being utilised, with SAM enabled but set at 0%.
Are You using Roon? Did You try DSD in Roon wit full convolution filter?
You will see what is possible. That's very close to Dirac.
Sweet room is a ticket to digital correction.
No. Sweet Room is my first attempt at room correction. As I listen mostly to vinyls, followed by CDs, DSD in Roon doesn’t really serve my needs.
Sweet Room - PeppaPig - 02-Jan-2021
Anyone had experience with SweetRoom making REW chart looks better but sounds worse??
I use sweet room fixed a peak at 12700Hz and bass around 150 and 40, the chart looks linear but I found it sounds not as good as before....
RE: Sweet Room - Delija - 02-Jan-2021
It's hard to give a comment without seeing your measurements. Attach them.
But, for a start, don't use DSP on so high frequencies and don't try to make the FR totally linear. Corrections should not be radical.
Sweet Room - PeppaPig - 03-Jan-2021
(02-Jan-2021, 19:36)Delija Wrote: It's hard to give a comment without seeing your measurements. Attach them.
But, for a start, don't use DSP on so high frequencies and don't try to make the FR totally linear. Corrections should not be radical.
I removed the change on high frequency and it sounds better.
I found this thing is difficult to use without professional knowledge.
RE: Sweet Room - Soniclife - 07-Jan-2021
(03-Jan-2021, 12:20)PeppaPig Wrote: I found this thing is difficult to use without professional knowledge.
It does require a lot of knowledge, enthusiastic amateur level for sure. Most DSP has the ability to make things much worse, there is nothing in what they have given us to stop you doing this, you really are on your own, here are the rules I've been following.
1) Based on measurements made at the listening position limit corrections you make to below 500Hz. If your room is large use a lower frequency.
2) Only make adjustments above the cut off freq in 1) based on anechoic measurements, and these should probably only be broad (low Q) tonal shifts.
3) Make extensive use of the ability to switch between the 2 configs whilst listening, find a minimal set of filters that do seem to address the worse problems, then explore adding other 'fixes' on top of them driven by what you prefer. The instant switching between the 2 filter banks is the killer feature of SR, most other approaches (e.g. Roon) take a second or so to switch, which is hard for the brain to follow, so make good use of this, and let your preference decide which is best, but don't rush the decision.