SAM 2

[Filips]

No intention to spoil your game, but have you tried Melco?

Maybe it's not perfect from user experience side (Roon etc..), but most of computer "problems" considering SQ (any kind of noise and jitter) almost completely vanish with it.

Your system deserves it


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[Rufus McDufus]

I have SAM problems even using a Melco. There are certain tracks where, even with SAM on 0% (so phase correction only) have a loud thumping noise noise with SAM on, and nothing with SAM off. Some of these tracks are quiet acoustic tracks, and it happens even at low volume. There's definitely something not quite right with SAM for my speakers, though it does appear to marginally improve sound quality for most tracks.

[Confused]

I have SAM problems even using a Melco. There are certain tracks where, even with SAM on 0% (so phase correction only) have a loud thumping noise noise with SAM on, and nothing with SAM off. Some of these tracks are quiet acoustic tracks, and it happens even at low volume. There's definitely something not quite right with SAM for my speakers, though it does appear to marginally improve sound quality for most tracks.

Ah yes, but here is a thought.....  I have noticed some bass issues running SAM not just with AIR as detailed above, but even more so in general listening with the microRendu via USB, and also with the Melco N1Z I auditioned earlier this year.  Obviously the Melco was also utilising USB.  With the Mutec doing USB to AES/EBU conversion, the issues are gone, and I mean 100% eliminated.  Do you have anything lying around that outputs AES/EBU?  It would be well worth giving it a try with SAM!  (Perhaps you could make Guillaume's Totaldac D1 'disappear' when he's not looking? )

[Confused]

No intention to spoil your game, but have you tried Melco?

Maybe it's not perfect from user experience side (Roon etc..), but most of computer "problems" considering SQ (any kind of noise and jitter) almost completely vanish with it.

Your system deserves it


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I have!
http://devialetchat.com/showthread.php?tid=2968

[Antoine]

No intention to spoil your game, but have you tried Melco?

Maybe it's not perfect from user experience side (Roon etc..), but most of computer "problems" considering SQ (any kind of noise and jitter) almost completely vanish with it.

Your system deserves it


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Are you sure you fully understand what Confused wrote and what the microRendu and Mutec MC-3+ USB are and do?

[Filips]

No intention to spoil your game, but have you tried Melco?

Maybe it's not perfect from user experience side (Roon etc..), but most of computer "problems" considering SQ (any kind of noise and jitter) almost completely vanish with it.

Your system deserves it


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I have!
http://devialetchat.com/showthread.php?tid=2968

Thanks.


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[Filips]

No intention to spoil your game, but have you tried Melco?

Maybe it's not perfect from user experience side (Roon etc..), but most of computer "problems" considering SQ (any kind of noise and jitter) almost completely vanish with it.

Your system deserves it


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Are you sure you fully understand what Confused wrote and what the microRendu and Mutec MC-3+ USB are and do?

Yes, but did you understand my question? I was reffering to the one box solution (not pc or mac) that actually sounds good/superb.


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[Rufus McDufus]

I have SAM problems even using a Melco. There are certain tracks where, even with SAM on 0% (so phase correction only) have a loud thumping noise noise with SAM on, and nothing with SAM off. Some of these tracks are quiet acoustic tracks, and it happens even at low volume. There's definitely something not quite right with SAM for my speakers, though it does appear to marginally improve sound quality for most tracks.

Ah yes, but here is a thought.....  I have noticed some bass issues running SAM not just with AIR as detailed above, but even more so in general listening with the microRendu via USB, and also with the Melco N1Z I auditioned earlier this year.  Obviously the Melco was also utilising USB.  With the Mutec doing USB to AES/EBU conversion, the issues are gone, and I mean 100% eliminated.  Do you have anything lying around that outputs AES/EBU?  It would be well worth giving it a try with SAM!  (Perhaps you could make Guillaume's Totaldac D1 'disappear' when he's not looking? )

Hmm, an interesting theory. Unfortunately I don't have an AES-equipped source to hand... Guillaume's Totaldac is at the upgraders so any planned heist would prove fruitless at the moment.

[Filip_B1d]

No intention to spoil your game, but have you tried Melco?

Maybe it's not perfect from user experience side (Roon etc..), but most of computer "problems" considering SQ (any kind of noise and jitter) almost completely vanish with it.

Your system deserves it


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Are you sure you fully understand what Confused wrote and what the microRendu and Mutec MC-3+ USB are and do?

Antoine, 

Now that I read whole discussion about both Melco and Mutec/Microrendu, I saw that actually I did't fully understand Confused's question in the first place.
My apologies!!

As I see it - in digital audio two most important thing that everybody is talking about are:

1. Integrity of data (JITTER) and
2. Noise (any kind)

So, is there anyone who tried both Melco AND Mutec MC-3?

[octaviars]

I have tried lots of settings with SAM on my Sopras and there is very little effect to me and the problems of the thumping sound I have never encountered that.

I really want AIR3 to be a solution that works well with Roon but I cant help wonder if I sold my microRendu and sent back the Mutec to Thomann a little to fast.

A computer with AIR 3 and Roon is a bit less things to wonder about compared to having a microRendu and Mutec (mostly the need for PSU to the microRendu and if one should get a linear PSU to the Mutec).

No I just have to stop thinking about this and keep calm and wait for the upgrade process (prices not ready in Sweden) and more info regarding the streamerboard what route to take but perhaps the AES input is always going to be the best input. A streamer with Roon Server and the qualites of microRendu and Mutec in one case would be a nice thing.