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Comparing a 220 Pro to a 200
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(16-Jan-2017, 14:28)Dr Tone Wrote: used D200 sell for much less than the upgrade price in Canada.  Sad

Not that it is worth a lengthy debate, but my check on CAM shows the cheapest D200 is $5,250.00; that is more than the upgrade cost me. There is also a companion for $4,750.00. There is variation, naturally, but it is all up. The Expert line is now 'the previous generation' so it is logically worth less on the used market. But it does not change the intrinsic value or sound quality of the amp. If it was excellent before, it is still excellent.

But given the prices generally of audio equipment in this range, the cost difference is probably a secondary concern for anyone considering a D200 to D220 Pro upgrade versus a move to a D400. I'm thinking that the positive side is that if one can compare the two options, then the cost difference is not likely to be the deciding factor.
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Sonos, VPI HW19 mkIII, D220 Pro, Lawrence Audio Violin SE, Analysis Plus Oval 9 speaker cable
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#42
(17-Jan-2017, 16:52)Damon Wrote:
(16-Jan-2017, 14:28)Dr Tone Wrote: used D200 sell for much less than the upgrade price in Canada.  Sad

Not that it is worth a lengthy debate, but my check on CAM shows the cheapest D200 is $5,250.00; that is more than the upgrade cost me. There is also a companion for $4,750.00. There is variation, naturally, but it is all up. The Expert line is now 'the previous generation' so it is logically worth less on the used market. But it does not change the intrinsic value or sound quality of the amp. If it was excellent before, it is still excellent.

But given the prices generally of audio equipment in this range, the cost difference is probably a secondary concern for anyone considering a D200 to D220 Pro upgrade versus a move to a D400. I'm thinking that the positive side is that if one can compare the two options, then the cost difference is not likely to be the deciding factor.

That D200 just listed yesterday he won't get a sniff of interest at that price.  I had mine listed for a while and never got an offer over $4000. Devialet was blowing out the D200 for $8000+Taxes for over 6 months prior to the new amps coming out. Now the D220 Pro is priced at $14,000+Taxes. That's brig price difference.

My thought was if I wanted to sell it, I have a better chance investing $5000 and selling a D220 Pro at >$9000 over a D200 at >$4000. Saves the buyer the hassle of shipping it away.

On the subject of the D400, I've been talking to the guy south of Calgary that his listed at $9500. It's been up for sale for months now, he hasn't had a sniff of serious interest and has slowly lowered his price by $2000 already.
Roon->HQPlayer->Air 3.04->Devialet 220 Pro->Transparent Super->Wilson Audio Sabrinas w/ Shunyata Denali, Rega RP8, Rega Apheta 2, Rega Aria


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#43
(17-Jan-2017, 17:02)LDr Tone Wrote:
(17-Jan-2017, 16:52)Damon Wrote:
(16-Jan-2017, 14:28)Dr Tone Wrote: used D200 sell for much less than the upgrade price in Canada.  Sad

Not that it is worth a lengthy debate, but my check on CAM shows the cheapest D200 is $5,250.00; that is more than the upgrade cost me. There is also a companion for $4,750.00. There is variation, naturally, but it is all up. The Expert line is now 'the previous generation' so it is logically worth less on the used market. But it does not change the intrinsic value or sound quality of the amp. If it was excellent before, it is still excellent.

But given the prices generally of audio equipment in this range, the cost difference is probably a secondary concern for anyone considering a D200 to D220 Pro upgrade versus a move to a D400. I'm thinking that the positive side is that if one can compare the two options, then the cost difference is not likely to be the deciding factor.

That D200 just listed yesterday he won't get a sniff of interest at that price.  I had mine listed for a while and never got an offer over $4000.  Devialet was blowing out the D200 for $8000+Taxes for over 6 months prior to the new amps coming out.  Now the D220 Pro is priced at $14,000+Taxes.  That's brig price difference.

My thought was if I wanted to sell it, I have a better chance investing $5000 and selling a D220 Pro at >$9000 over a D200 at >$4000.  Saves the buyer the hassle of shipping it away.

On the subject of the D400, I've been talking to the guy south of Calgary that his listed at $9500. It's been up for sale for months now, he hasn't had a sniff of serious interest and has slowly lowered his price by $2000 already.

Gosh the D220 becomes very expensive with taxes added in Canada, do you get screwed on all high end HiFi? I also factored in resale value when upgrading and obviously also the streamer card worth £1300 for each unit, lol ?
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(17-Jan-2017, 19:23)Dannythered Wrote: Gosh the D220 becomes very expensive with taxes added in Canada, do you get screwed on all high end HiFi? I also factored in resale value when upgrading and obviously also the streamer card worth £1300 for each unit, lol ?

It's partially Devialet raising the prices a bit and our currency not doing as well again the Euro.  It is what it is.

Oddly some US HIFI vendors are actually giving our dealers a break since our currency tanked.  Multiple dealers have mentioned it.  So it could be worst, certainly not as good as when our dollar was close to par with US.
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#45
I'm not sure my memory is good enough to make the comparison, but judging by memory the 220 Pro is an improvement in every way. The effortlessness and bass may be due to the 100 watt boost. There appears to be a lot more detail in the midrange and it appears to sound much more natural overall. Kudos to Devialet. Now if I could only get AIR to work.
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SYSTEM 2: Antipodes DX Roon Server// microRendu Roon Ready // Devialet 220//German Physiks Unlimited II//German Physiks Speaker Cables
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#46
My D220 just arrived back after a hiatus of just over 2 months.  My memory isn't sufficient to remember what it sounded like back then. Now that its back, its been playing for four days non-stop (with exception of work and sleep) and it continues to amaze me.  
Vinyl, cd or streaming.  Loving it.  It can't be healthy experiencing these kinds of attachments can it?   Blush
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#47
My Devialet D220 pro arrived last tuesday after a turnaround of two weeks. I have to say that the upgade program runs like a smooth engine. Communication and speed are excellent. The unit has been playing all week and last night I sat down to listen to my favourite recordings. I am a firmware 7.1.3 fan and only decided to upgrade after a demo. My takeaways:
- The 220 pro is excellent
- Voices and instruments are real. The pro has become more musical, more refined
- The soundstage is better. Transients are clear and defined
- The noise floor is significant lower and creates more depth
- Increased bass performance

The upgrade is expensive but to me it is one of my better hifi purchases. I can only give it a firm recommendation
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