Poll: How forgiving is the Pro series top end?
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More forgiving to bright/harsh recordings.
38.89%
14 38.89%
As forgiving to bright/harsh recordings.
27.78%
10 27.78%
Less forgiving to bright/harsh recordings.
33.33%
12 33.33%
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Pro vs Non-Pro Top End
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(14-Dec-2016, 19:51)Confused Wrote: This is a very interesting poll!  Although perhaps not for the right reasons.  For me, I am not sure I even understand the question.  I think the Pro DAC/ADH is in effect 'higher resolution' versus the Expert.  Does higher resolution equal less forgiving?  Would lower resolution be more forgiving, so lower resolution is better?  How far do you go with this, no resolution would be no sound.  Anyway, here is my view.  The Pro and the Expert are tonally identical, so something that sounded too bright on an Expert will also sound too bright on the Pro.  I am quite sure that if you had some sophisticated lab equipment that could test such things, you would find no more that an absolute fraction of difference between the Expert and Pro in terms of frequency response.

Having said that, the Pro is a magnitude ahead of the Expert in terms of detail and absolute realism, and in a good way, with everything sounding just plain real, or truer to the source at least, for good or ill.  I think this does have some consequences, on occasion you can be playing something on the Pro and it sounds quite startling, it really grabs your attention.  So whereas with your Expert, which you may have owned for a couple of years so you've stopped thinking too much about if the treble is harsh, more prominent or whatever, you come across a song where the treble is a bit harsh or the mix is a bit bright, and you think, 'the mix is a bit bright on this track'.  With the Pro, on the occasional recording, the treble can grab your attention like you would not believe, but it is far cleaner and more accurate that it was on the Expert, and not one iota more prominent in terms of overall balance.  However, with your attention grabbed, the issue is launched into you consciousness and you start noticing the treble like never before.

I have not had my Pro that long, first to say that I am absolutely loving the thing.  However, I still have not yet got the Pro sound fully worked out, or should I say I am not fully used to having the Pro.  It is still surprising me, but the journey is immensely enjoyable.

In summary, versus the Expert the Pro is tonally identical but has much higher resolution.   A simple statement.  However, the consequences of the resolution on your brain, your perception, can lead to very misleading thoughts along the way.  OK, I am not a piece of lab equipment, so this needs to stand as my opinion, other views will vary.  As I said earlier, I am still getting used to the Pro, I may post again on this topic in a years time, to see if the view stands.  Currently I am simply enjoying the Pro's epic insight in to everything, it's utter ruthlessness in transparency, which I guess is not for everyone.

Yes. That's exactly what I'm experiencing. The more open/resolving a system is the less forgiving it is and the more sensitive it is reacting on interferences. But if there is nothing to forgive you win a lot on realism in the musical presentation.
On the other side if there allready was something to forgive the 'old' Experts have forgiven your 'inability' to plug an adequate source and cables to the inputs/devices a lot more I would say. They smoothed it out.

I've heard quiet the same with other electronics. Lets take a Spectral Pre- Power-Amp. Very open/revealing system...and very picky to drive to its best. Devialet is not the only machine in the market that has to deal with weaknesses in an audio system and reacting on the 'harsh side' on it.

Devialets's greatest 'bug' is that it quiet heavily reacts with the D-Amp section on interferences and that gives us more of this ugly digital sound (jitter). And this fact is logical as the Class A-Amp does only a fraction (<1%) of amplification compared to the D-Amp.
I think we can not digest this ugly digital sound as good as a distorted analogue sound. Analogue distortion is kind of 'natural' in our daily life. Digital distortion is unnatural to us hence it immediately stands out of the music and it distracts us...we hate it.

gui

edit: This thought gives me an idea why I hear such a big improvement in my D200's sound with the new mod I meantioned in Tweakers Corner. The mod shortens the signal path of the D-Amp of the D200 by a large amount compared to the signal path through the pin contacts and riserboard. I'm still wondering on the great outcome of this simple mod.
"Oh, you can buy the other. But then it is a cost intensive learning process"
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Messages In This Thread
Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Dr Tone - 14-Dec-2016, 16:26
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Antoine - 14-Dec-2016, 17:06
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Dr Tone - 14-Dec-2016, 17:32
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Wdw - 14-Dec-2016, 23:27
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Antoine - 14-Dec-2016, 17:29
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by baconbrain - 18-Dec-2016, 10:06
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Antoine - 14-Dec-2016, 17:35
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Dr Tone - 14-Dec-2016, 17:52
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Antoine - 14-Dec-2016, 19:00
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Confused - 14-Dec-2016, 19:51
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by yabaVR - 14-Dec-2016, 21:24
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Soniclife - 14-Dec-2016, 21:09
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Confused - 14-Dec-2016, 23:37
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Dr Tone - 15-Dec-2016, 02:54
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by mdconnelly - 15-Dec-2016, 04:03
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Confused - 18-Dec-2016, 12:25
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by yabaVR - 18-Dec-2016, 12:54
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Confused - 18-Dec-2016, 13:02
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by yabaVR - 18-Dec-2016, 18:19
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by baconbrain - 18-Dec-2016, 23:53
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by yabaVR - 19-Dec-2016, 09:49
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by baconbrain - 19-Dec-2016, 12:49
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Dr Tone - 18-Dec-2016, 16:26
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Confused - 18-Dec-2016, 17:13
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Confused - 18-Dec-2016, 13:26
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by yabaVR - 18-Dec-2016, 14:47
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Confused - 18-Dec-2016, 17:19
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Antoine - 18-Dec-2016, 17:52
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Antoine - 19-Dec-2016, 00:41
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Dr Tone - 19-Dec-2016, 01:06
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Pim - 19-Dec-2016, 10:35
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by yabaVR - 19-Dec-2016, 13:04
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Antoine - 19-Dec-2016, 13:05
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Dr Tone - 19-Dec-2016, 15:50
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Confused - 19-Dec-2016, 13:45
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Dr Tone - 13-Feb-2017, 19:16
Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by samsoum - 13-Feb-2017, 19:35
RE: Pro vs Non-Pro Top End - by Pim - 13-Feb-2017, 20:18

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