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Magneplanar MG .7 and 1.7
#1
It’s Maggie time!


I’ve been wanting to hear some Maggies for a long time and somehow never got round to it. Now that I’ve decided to part with my SF Cremonas (with a heavy heart), I’m looking for something to replace them in my study system. The room is about 5m x 4m. The smaller Maggies would fit the room pretty well. The Devialet 200 will be doing amp duty. So today I paid a visit to KJ West One, the London temple of hi-fi porn.


The system was a Unico CDP (don’t know which model) into a D200. The speakers were the Magneplanar MG .7 and MG 1.7. I was really looking forward to hearing these speakers. You know what’s going to happen now, don’t you …


The first thing to say is that the family resemblance between the two speakers is much stronger than any differences between the two models. So most of my comments on the MG .7s apply also to the MG 1.7s.


First up were the new MG .7s. They look pretty elegant. Black cloth with wooden ‘cheeks’.They’re about the same height as my ML Montis and maybe 50% wider.


The first thing to say is that these are proper panel speakers. They do the things panel speakers do and no other speakers (in my experience) can. They project a wide and high picture of the music, a picture so big that you can hear into the music in a way that you just can’t with other speakers. The separation of instruments in orchestral music is wonderful. All the desks of the orchestra are in exactly the right place. Violins to the left and across the middle: check. Cellos and double basses down to the right: check. Woodwind up a bit and centre right. Brass and timpani blaring and thumping towards the back.


They also create a remarkable 3D effect. I’d say they do this just as well as my Martin Logans.


The other key feature of panel speakers is speed. The Maggies may not be quite as ‘fast’ as ESLs, but they certainly beat most electrodynamic speakers. The effect is an exciting and persuasive articulation of attack and decay. Moving from electrodynamic to panel speakers is a bit like moving from listening to the slurred speech of a drunk person to the clipped articulation of John Gielgud in his prime.


The music I was using was mainly classical: solo piano, early female vocal (Hildegard von Bingen), Bach chamber stuff, then some big Mahler (nos 5 and 8). I finished with a bit of Yello. (Why not?) 


The Hildegard came across beautifully. Very vivid and pure upper mid-range. Really stunning. Those female voices sounded so sweet and present.


But then the disappointment kicked in. The upper octaves of the female voice (and piano and violin) were too prominent. They dominated the range. The result was a slight sense of a nasal ‘twang’. Added to that, neither the .7s nor the 1.7s can do bass, or at least they can’t integrate the bass into the musical picture. Throughout the demo I felt that I was looking into a beautifully detailed and articulated picture, but looking through the narrow slot of a letterbox.


The 1.7s were better. A bit more roundness and fullness, but still not the full picture.


I’m writing this at home, listening to the same music through my Martin Logans. It’s an unfair comparison: the MG .7s retail for £2K and the MG 1.7s for £2.9K. The MLs are several times pricier. But the MLs make instrumental timbres sound real, and the Maggies make them sound a bit artificial.


It may be that the Devialet 200 isn’t really the right amp for them. A fairer comparison would be driving the Maggies with my Sanders Magtech. (Apparently Magneplanar often use the Magtech for their show demos.)



So I'm sad to say it’s no deal for me. My experience today was that the Maggies do some things brilliantly, but they fall down when it comes to a full and realistic picture of the music. I really wish it had been otherwise.


Matt

Sonos Connect (W4S) > DSpeaker Antimode 2.0 > Sanders Magtech > Martin Logan Montis
Sonos Connect (W4S) > Devialet 200 > Vivid V1.5
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#2
Matt - your listening tests are always a joy to read, three-act structure and all. I think that one must have been for the hard of hearing Smile

As a matter of interest: are you specifically looking for another set of panel speakers to replace the Cremonas? Or, put another way, what are the Cremonas not giving you?
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#3
Cheers, Ian!

My speaker history is a bit complicated. I bought the Devialet back in the summer of 2013. For some reason I'd decided that I needed to start my big system upgrade with the amp. So the Devialet arrived. Then I needed to find some speakers that would do it justice. I did a couple of comparative demos, with the Cremonas up against Harbeths and the new Sf Olympica range. The Cremonas just seemed right. And since we were thinking of moving house (so whatever speakers I bought would be temporary), the Cremonas at a decent ex-demo price made good sense.

In the meantime the whole house move thing was on and off. During one of the 'off' periods I heard the Martin Logan Montis and was blown away by them. Deal done. I tried to sell the Cremonas, but couldn't find a buyer. So they went into storage.

As it happens, the Montis weren't the right speakers at all. They were too big for my room, and I soon came to feel that the Dev couldn't drive them properly. I've come to the view that, while the Dev is one of the very best amps for driving electrodynamic speakers, it couldn't cope with the peculiar needs of the Montis, with their horrendously low impedance at high frequencies. ESLs are capacitors that feed off voltage, whereas electrodynamic speakers are resistors that love current. I think the Devialet can't deliver the voltage that the Montis need and goes into clipping at high frequencies. It sounds a bit thin and rough. This came home to me when I tried the Sanders Magtech power amp with the Montis. It sounded so much better that the Dev.

in the meantime we had actually moved house, and now I had a new problem. I had space for two systems: the living room downstairs and my study upstairs. And I had an assortment of kit that kind of fitted the space. The Montis and Magtech would be in the living room, and the Dev and Cremonas would be in the study. Still, the Cremonas felt temporary. So I decided to try and sell them again and find something that would give me a bit of the amazing ESL vibe that I get from the Montis.

And that's where I am now.

Sorry for the long and tedious story!

Sonos Connect (W4S) > DSpeaker Antimode 2.0 > Sanders Magtech > Martin Logan Montis
Sonos Connect (W4S) > Devialet 200 > Vivid V1.5
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#4
(19-Mar-2015, 00:20)Jwg1749 Wrote: Sorry for the long and tedious story!

Not at all.  I haven't (knowingly) heard panel speakers so I don't know what I'm missing.  It may be best to stay that way, by the sound of it!

I have casually run pictures of different speakers past "the authorities" at home, in the interests of calibrating the boundaries of acceptability, and I have a feeling that for the time being I will have to be content with small-ish stand-mounts.  (To be fair, our living room is not particularly large and the Gs are plenty imposing enough.)
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#5
Ha! You should have seen the look on my wife's face when she saw the Martin Logans! And then her expression when I told her that she'd paid for them as my birthday present! Priceless! (Well, actually rather pricey ...)

Funnily enough, my speaker journey may take a dramatic new turn tomorrow. Watch this space.

Sonos Connect (W4S) > DSpeaker Antimode 2.0 > Sanders Magtech > Martin Logan Montis
Sonos Connect (W4S) > Devialet 200 > Vivid V1.5
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#6
Matt I have a Deviatet 120 running a pair of Magnepan 1.7, that marriage in heaven produce the best bass I have heard from the 1.7 (I had the AYRE AX5 and Hegel H300 before the Devialet) As for the 1.7 they are better than anything out there except another pair of 3.7i or the mighty 20.7. (Unless you want to mortgage your future and by a pair of $50-100K Magico) And by better I mean better in every category, the bass that is suppose to be "weak and lean" is actually very natural. Buy a Deviatet and buy a pair of Magnepan 1,7, you will not regret it!
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Hi Matt,

My experience with the 1.7 is somewhat different than Alex's but not as bad as yours. My mate has 1.7's and runs them with a 250W Emotiva amp. Where he first had them set up, a room of about 4m x 5m with thick carpet and vertical blinds on the windows, it sounded absolutely magical. Sure, they don't do bass as loud and deep as dynamic speakers but musically everything was there.

He then moved to his new place (6m x 7m room) with timber floors and not much on the walls. The sound became very thin and unlistenable at high volumes.

When I read your post and thought about it I went to the KJ West One web site and saw they have tiles on the floor. You can see the magpies on the photo down the basement. If that is where you listened to them you might want to ask for a home demo. If your room at home is anything like my mates first room you might be pleasantly surprised. The only caveat I can think of is the power of the D200. It might be a bit low.
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#8
Have you ever thought of trying the Quad ESL's? I did hear a demo of the 2912's once, and very impressive they were too!
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#9
Should be easily done... they are parked right next to the Maggies at KJ West One. Cost a lot more though...
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                                                                                                                                                                            Dynaudio C1 MkII.
                                                                                                                                                                              Jim Smith's GBS.
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#10
Thanks for the feedback, gents.

Needless to say, my response to the Maggies is mine: the sound of speakers is a pretty subjective matter. I know some people who love Maggies; and I know some people who really don't like them, in fact a couple of Martin Logan owners. It seems I'm in that category of people who love MLs but not Maggies.

I do take the point about the size of the demo room at KJW1. It's about 5.5 x 6.5m (I think). It may well be that these Maggies struggled to fill the room. However, the particular problem I had with them -- an overly prominent and slightly nasal upper-mid range -- may or may not have been connected with the size of the room.

As for Quads, they're simply too wide for my room. (In fact, the MG1.7s are a little bigger than I want.) And yes, they're a bit more than I really want to spend. This is a second system after all. A second-hand pair of ESL 63s would be well within budget, but there's still the size problem. And I'd also be concerned about the beaming. I use two seats in the room: a chair behind my desk and an armchair directly in front of the desk. From what I know of Quads, I'd have to move the speakers depending on where I was sitting. Not good.

Next week I'm going to check out some ex-demo Vivids and PMCs, very different speakers, both SAM-ready.

This morning I said farewell to my Sf Cremonas. Sad They've gone to a good home.  Smile

Matt

Sonos Connect (W4S) > DSpeaker Antimode 2.0 > Sanders Magtech > Martin Logan Montis
Sonos Connect (W4S) > Devialet 200 > Vivid V1.5
Silver Phantoms (just the two)
London
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