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To SAM or not to SAM and DRC
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(23-Nov-2016, 14:44)ogs Wrote: Hi gui
there are weaknesses in your reasoning here; you assume that the loudspeakers in use are transparent and 'correct' sounding. Very few speakers have linear phase response. Example: the Kef LS50 has the tweeter inverted, many (most?) Wilson models invert the midrange driver, many High End speakers do not even try to have a decent time response. If a dome tweeter is mounted on the same baffle as the bass/mid, the treble arrives too early. You'll have to account for this when you develop your theory. Your ML speakers is very good in this respect, I am sure.
You may be correct when you say that digital room correction reduces information density, but this is not my experience. I use Audiolense with long filters (132K) and can not say I miss something. If I use short filters (8K, 16K) I can hear the 'coarseness', but not with the long ones. Your test with SAM on/off and a female voice is interesting. I will try this as soon as I get my amp back from upgrade. Your binding post mod will be hard for me to resist, however! And what about this 'secret mod' you have mentioned?

No, you got me wrong. I know loudspeakers are not correct sounding when it comes to phases. And the ML are by far no reference for me.

But why does it matter anyway. For me this is a good distinction for good and bad loudspeakers. The one which is more neutral on the phase is mostly the better sounding for me.
The music signal is not meant to compensate on this. It's a 3D-Matrix. You can not cut in and take one 'thing' (freq/vol) out of it. If you do you cut this 'freq/vol thing' out of every (sound) object in the 3D-Matrix. You can only do harm to the signal when you try to solve problems here though their cause is further down the system chain.

It might not be easy to imagine what I mean about this 3D-Matrix (freq/vol/phase) of the music signal. 'freq/vol/phase' of a sound in a room is unique at every point inside this room and these points are dependent on each other. Think of reconstructing a single moment with all sounds in this room. The values of 'freq/vol/phase' have to be variable to describe every point in the room. You can not use a set value for a unique freq to be assigned to every point of its occurrence because this unique freq might belong to a saxophone AND also to a voice AND a guitar AND...it has to be different in 'vol/phase' at every of this points.
Man, it's hard to get it down to words  Rolleyes
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To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by yabaVR - 23-Nov-2016, 12:13
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by Antoine - 23-Nov-2016, 14:05
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by Confused - 23-Nov-2016, 14:39
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by ogs - 23-Nov-2016, 14:44
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by yabaVR - 23-Nov-2016, 21:13
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by ogs - 23-Nov-2016, 22:36
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by yabaVR - 23-Nov-2016, 17:39
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by yabaVR - 24-Nov-2016, 09:39
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by yabaVR - 25-Nov-2016, 16:48
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by yabaVR - 24-Nov-2016, 08:59
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by yabaVR - 24-Nov-2016, 09:47
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by yabaVR - 24-Nov-2016, 12:42
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by Confused - 24-Nov-2016, 13:30
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by 4tLotM - 25-Nov-2016, 21:18
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by Antoine - 25-Nov-2016, 21:53
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by 4tLotM - 25-Nov-2016, 22:10
RE: To SAM or not to SAM and DRC - by Graham - 26-Nov-2016, 11:07

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