Poll: Do you SAM and if so, how exactly do you choose to use it.
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SAM 100% all the time
31.53%
64 31.53%
SAM at a fixed % all the time
21.18%
43 21.18%
SAM all the time, but vary the percent
4.93%
10 4.93%
SAM all the time at 0%
3.94%
8 3.94%
Sometimes SAM on or off, but 100% if on
1.97%
4 1.97%
Sometimes SAM on or off, with fixed % if on
1.48%
3 1.48%
Sometimes SAM on or off, and vary the % if on
2.96%
6 2.96%
Sometimes SAM on or off, but 0% if on
0.49%
1 0.49%
I have SAM ready speakers but prefer SAM off at all times
9.36%
19 9.36%
I do not have SAM ready speakers
22.17%
45 22.17%
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Do you use SAM?
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(26-Sep-2017, 10:47)Pim van Vliet Wrote: I'm a bit lost by what it is you mean here Gui but if you mean that SAM alters the digital signal and that some how corrupts the integrity of the original I think you're forgetting that during mastering exactly the same thing happens over and over again. SAM is just one digital alteration of the signal in a long line of them from recording to DAC. I believe that when someone doesn't 'like' what SAM does, it's more how the room reacts to the extended bass than the alteration of the digital signal.
I for one have SAM on 100% because it gives deeper bass from my small-ish speakers. It's therefore much more enjoyable. I've never heard any negative effect from SAM that leads me to think that the signal is distorted in any way.

Hi Pim,
It's nothing to do with the room reacting to SAM. The effect SAM has to the signal is even present at SAM 0%.
And you're right. There is good and bad mastering and the better does less processing to a signal be it a voice or an instrument. Have you ever compared a 'no mastering recording' to the same that is then being mastered?
I've two of this from a Patricia Barber recording (don't have the album name at the moment). Despite the fact that I can't know what they really did to the signal the 'unmastered' version sounds so much more 'live' and natural with more details that I for sure won't choose the mastered version to listen to.
There is a new record on sale that features Anne Bisson
https://www.sieveking-sound.de/anne-biss...nie-s.html
This record was recorded live w/o mastering as far as I know. I've listened to the LP and it sounds so natural...mindblowing. I hope they release a 24bit version also.


It's a difficult thing to describe a fact that you have to hear before you get familiar with it and then can hear every time it comes your way. As Vivialet proofs I'm not the only one hearing this but it's very depending on the transparency of the whole audio chain if you want to get aware of it.

One more...I'm not speaking of a distortion of a signal that you can hear but of the lack of musical information that SAM blocks by phase shifts leading to less transparency.

gui
"Oh, you can buy the other. But then it is a cost intensive learning process"
berlin
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Do you use SAM? - by Confused - 23-Dec-2016, 09:19
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Womaz - 23-Dec-2016, 09:29
RE: Do you use SAM? - by NickB - 23-Dec-2016, 10:49
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Confused - 23-Dec-2016, 11:13
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Soniclife - 23-Dec-2016, 11:42
RE: Do you use SAM? - by ogs - 23-Dec-2016, 11:47
RE: Do you use SAM? - by NickB - 23-Dec-2016, 12:01
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Vivialet - 23-Dec-2016, 16:26
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Sharone - 23-Dec-2016, 17:28
RE: Do you use SAM? - by iamwappie - 23-Dec-2016, 17:28
RE: Do you use SAM? - by yabaVR - 23-Dec-2016, 18:19
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Confused - 08-Jan-2017, 15:33
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Hifi_swlon - 24-Dec-2016, 00:52
RE: Do you use SAM? - by noir - 24-Dec-2016, 02:12
Do you use SAM? - by no32 - 25-Dec-2016, 01:02
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Axel - 25-Dec-2016, 03:34
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Dr Tone - 25-Dec-2016, 03:45
RE: Do you use SAM? - by markush - 25-Dec-2016, 10:39
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Dr Tone - 25-Dec-2016, 15:49
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Axel - 26-Dec-2016, 02:48
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Axel - 26-Dec-2016, 14:50
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Hifi_swlon - 26-Dec-2016, 16:50
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Axel - 27-Dec-2016, 02:04
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Rodney Gold - 26-Dec-2016, 07:47
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Sharone - 04-Jan-2017, 17:48
RE: Do you use SAM? - by maxijazz - 04-Jan-2017, 19:26
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Dr Tone - 04-Jan-2017, 20:35
RE: Do you use SAM? - by yabaVR - 06-Jan-2017, 09:48
RE: Do you use SAM? - by iamwappie - 05-Jan-2017, 20:54
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Finn - 05-Jan-2017, 21:02
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Dr Tone - 15-Jan-2017, 20:39
RE: Do you use SAM? - by markush - 15-Jan-2017, 21:40
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Dr Tone - 15-Jan-2017, 22:14
RE: Do you use SAM? - by JohnnySix - 16-Jan-2017, 14:13
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Dr Tone - 16-Jan-2017, 14:22
RE: Do you use SAM? - by iamwappie - 16-Jan-2017, 14:19
Do you use SAM? - by kmjy - 07-Jul-2017, 08:54
RE: Do you use SAM? - by maxijazz - 07-Jul-2017, 12:53
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Filip_B1d - 08-Jul-2017, 10:52
Do you use SAM? - by BjornWiman - 24-Sep-2017, 05:34
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Jonas - 24-Sep-2017, 15:48
RE: Do you use SAM? - by tom539 - 24-Sep-2017, 16:06
RE: Do you use SAM? - by audio_engr - 24-Sep-2017, 21:59
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Vivialet - 25-Sep-2017, 15:23
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Confused - 25-Sep-2017, 17:16
RE: Do you use SAM? - by SwissBear - 25-Sep-2017, 20:25
RE: Do you use SAM? - by yabaVR - 26-Sep-2017, 09:48
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Pim - 26-Sep-2017, 10:47
RE: Do you use SAM? - by yabaVR - 26-Sep-2017, 12:47
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Jonas - 26-Sep-2017, 10:29
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Vivialet - 26-Sep-2017, 07:28
RE: Do you use SAM? - by SwissBear - 26-Sep-2017, 10:04
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Vivialet - 26-Sep-2017, 13:18
Do you use SAM? - by no32 - 26-Sep-2017, 13:30
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Confused - 26-Sep-2017, 13:43
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Pim - 26-Sep-2017, 21:34
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Pim - 02-Oct-2017, 03:24
RE: Do you use SAM? - by yabaVR - 02-Oct-2017, 12:17
RE: Do you use SAM? - by thumb5 - 26-Sep-2017, 14:00
RE: Do you use SAM? - by alphafox - 26-Sep-2017, 15:58
RE: Do you use SAM? - by SwissBear - 26-Sep-2017, 17:44
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Pim - 02-Oct-2017, 03:27
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Confused - 02-Oct-2017, 13:30
RE: Do you use SAM? - by yabaVR - 02-Oct-2017, 14:53
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Confused - 03-Oct-2017, 13:24
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Pim - 04-Oct-2017, 04:10
RE: Do you use SAM? - by brit - 04-Oct-2017, 10:31
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Confused - 04-Oct-2017, 12:56
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Pim - 04-Oct-2017, 13:52
RE: Do you use SAM? - by thumb5 - 07-Oct-2017, 17:20
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Soniclife - 02-Oct-2017, 17:43
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Pim - 02-Oct-2017, 21:17
RE: Do you use SAM? - by yabaVR - 03-Oct-2017, 07:25
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Pim - 03-Oct-2017, 08:24
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Morten - 13-Oct-2017, 20:42
RE: Do you use SAM? - by Finn - 13-Oct-2017, 20:59

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