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Additional 220 or additional sub?
#11
I remember the upgrade from 140 to 220 Pro CI being just ok. Turning that into a 440 Pro CI was jaw dropping. RCA to XLR with lifted ground was better than a digital to digital connection between them. I don’t do fancy cables, I’ve never felt it necessary try squeeze something more.
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#12
(18-Jun-2025, 19:15)Eoin Wrote: I remember the upgrade from 140 to 220 Pro CI being just ok. Turning that into a 440 Pro CI was jaw dropping. RCA to XLR with lifted ground was better than a digital to digital connection between them. I don’t do fancy cables, I’ve never felt it necessary try squeeze something more.
Seems I’m the only guy on the planet not using this RCA to XLR option. That said, the only manufacturer of said item is charging as much as my 2nd hand 220 for the privilege (AQ Wel). Look, if it’s gonna bring the same level of improvement as my 2nd 220, then let’s go! If not, I’d rather spend my hard earned on a 2nd REL S/812. Please tell me there’s an RCA to XLR out there for less than the cost of a sunny holiday?
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#13
(19-Jun-2025, 05:35)Bertie Wrote:
(18-Jun-2025, 19:15)Eoin Wrote: I remember the upgrade from 140 to 220 Pro CI being just ok. Turning that into a 440 Pro CI was jaw dropping. RCA to XLR with lifted ground was better than a digital to digital connection between them. I don’t do fancy cables, I’ve never felt it necessary try squeeze something more.
Seems I’m the only guy on the planet not using this RCA to XLR option. That said, the only manufacturer of said item is charging as much as my 2nd hand 220 for the privilege (AQ Wel). Look, if it’s gonna bring the same level of improvement as my 2nd 220, then let’s go! If not, I’d rather spend my hard earned on a 2nd REL S/812. Please tell me there’s an RCA to XLR out there for less than the cost of a sunny holiday?

no need, just buy a RCA/XLR convertor and change in the configurator to use RCA to XLR.
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#14
(19-Jun-2025, 05:35)Bertie Wrote:
(18-Jun-2025, 19:15)Eoin Wrote: I remember the upgrade from 140 to 220 Pro CI being just ok. Turning that into a 440 Pro CI was jaw dropping. RCA to XLR with lifted ground was better than a digital to digital connection between them. I don’t do fancy cables, I’ve never felt it necessary try squeeze something more.
Seems I’m the only guy on the planet not using this RCA to XLR option. That said, the only manufacturer of said item is charging as much as my 2nd hand 220 for the privilege (AQ Wel). Look, if it’s gonna bring the same level of improvement as my 2nd 220, then let’s go! If not, I’d rather spend my hard earned on a 2nd REL S/812. Please tell me there’s an RCA to XLR out there for less than the cost of a sunny holiday?

I use an RCA to XLR by DH labs. They aren’t expensive and do the job very well. https://silversonic.com/
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#15
(20-Jun-2025, 04:08)ray1234 Wrote:
(19-Jun-2025, 05:35)Bertie Wrote:
(18-Jun-2025, 19:15)Eoin Wrote: I remember the upgrade from 140 to 220 Pro CI being just ok. Turning that into a 440 Pro CI was jaw dropping. RCA to XLR with lifted ground was better than a digital to digital connection between them. I don’t do fancy cables, I’ve never felt it necessary try squeeze something more.
Seems I’m the only guy on the planet not using this RCA to XLR option. That said, the only manufacturer of said item is charging as much as my 2nd hand 220 for the privilege (AQ Wel). Look, if it’s gonna bring the same level of improvement as my 2nd 220, then let’s go! If not, I’d rather spend my hard earned on a 2nd REL S/812. Please tell me there’s an RCA to XLR out there for less than the cost of a sunny holiday?

no need, just buy a RCA/XLR convertor and change in the configurator to use RCA to XLR.

So, something like this? https://cpc.farnell.com/neutrik/na2mpmf/...rca+to+xlr
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#16
(18-Jun-2025, 19:15)Eoin Wrote: I remember the upgrade from 140 to 220 Pro CI being just ok. Turning that into a 440 Pro CI was jaw dropping. RCA to XLR with lifted ground was better than a digital to digital connection between them. I don’t do fancy cables, I’ve never felt it necessary try squeeze something more.

For the sake of avoiding potential confusion (not trying to pick holes in your post), I'm pretty sure the connection between the two Expert amps in a dual-mono system is always digital, whether it's configured as RCA-to-RCA or RCA-to-XLR.
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#17
I’d personally go for the second REL first. With the Sopra 2s, better low-end balance and room filling bass will probably give you a bigger overall improvement than another 220. You can always add the second amp later once the foundation is solid.
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#18
(10-Aug-2025, 20:55)MADLOUR3 Wrote: I’d personally go for the second REL first. With the Sopra 2s, better low-end balance and room filling bass will probably give you a bigger overall improvement than another 220. You can always add the second amp later once the foundation is solid.

I totally agree with you and that was my recommendation to the OP. But he had a different idea.
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#19
Bit of a footnote: REL S/812s are being phased out, so just bought one for £2k. Will be driving Bertie senior over for a few days to help setting it up. Dad shares my passion but is now a lapsed audioholic, but loves being involved with all the drama of new equipment!
Obviously, I’m hoping the improvement is somewhere near the order of magnitude the 220-440 was. Will report back my musings…
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#20
I’d personally go for the second REL first. With the Sopra 2s, better low-end balance and room filling bass will probably give you a bigger overall improvement than another 220. You can always add the second amp later once the foundation is solid.
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