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Innuos Zenith ripper/streamer
#31
(07-Nov-2017, 10:47)Confused Wrote: I stumbled across this almost by accident:

https://www.audiostream.com/content/inte...-roon-core

Again, a little off topic, but it does indicate an alternative approach to something like the Antipodes or Innuos products.  So not a nice neat one box solution, but it does allow you to use something like the SOtM sMS-200Ultra as a 'network end point', so decent sound quality, hifi kit isolated from the noisy computer kit, and so on.  Although as Petrik correctly points out, you might then start thinking about nice LPSU's for the SonicTransporter and sMS-200, a one box solution become four boxes.  Notwithstanding all this, this is still a reasonably straightforward approach that would offer a good combination of sound quality & functionality for the price.  (and then add a Mutec REF10 and MC3+USB........) Sad

This would be an interesting alternative solution. Let's do some math:
1) sonicTransporter i5 with internal 2Tb SSD: 1455 dollars
2) LPSU for sT: 500 dollars?
3) SOtM sMS-200Ultra: 1400 dollars
4) SOtM sPS-500 with standard copper wire: 500 dollars

Total 3855 dollars which is roughly at the same level with Innuos Zenith MkII. I'm not sure which of these would sound better but at least Innuos looks nicer and would be easier to use (built-in CD-ripping etc).
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#32
(07-Nov-2017, 11:51)audio_engr Wrote:
(07-Nov-2017, 10:47)Confused Wrote: I stumbled across this almost by accident:

https://www.audiostream.com/content/inte...-roon-core

Again, a little off topic, but it does indicate an alternative approach to something like the Antipodes or Innuos products.  So not a nice neat one box solution, but it does allow you to use something like the SOtM sMS-200Ultra as a 'network end point', so decent sound quality, hifi kit isolated from the noisy computer kit, and so on.  Although as Petrik correctly points out, you might then start thinking about nice LPSU's for the SonicTransporter and sMS-200, a one box solution become four boxes.  Notwithstanding all this, this is still a reasonably straightforward approach that would offer a good combination of sound quality & functionality for the price.  (and then add a Mutec REF10 and MC3+USB........) Sad

WoW !!  Rolleyes

You got me thinking again ... surprising that the macbook pro stands out to be the worst of all (& thats what I'm using right now). Indeed - I agree that I want to go with Roon which should be more promising for the long haul (rather than another app like the one Innuos is using). 

What would be the 'best bang for the buck' logical & viable chain (keeping Roon in mind) if one was to start life with the sT ?

'Bang for buck' is always a tricky one.  One person's best bang for buck can easily be another persons 'too expensive' / 'not worth it' / 'don't like it'.  When I think back to everything I tried with the Devialet Expert, I always thought that easily the best 'bang for buck', or sound quality per $ (£) if you like, came from the Mutec MC3+USB.  Of course the MC3+USB needs something to feed it, so that adds another $1000 or so to petrik's calculations above.  You could use an Innuos to feed a Mutec MC3+USB of course.......
1000 Pro - KEF Blade - SOtM sMS-200Ultra Neo - tX-USBultra - Mutec REF10 - MC3+USB - Pro-Ject Signature 12
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#33
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Here's some math ...  very, very close I must say !!   Wink
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#34
Here's some maths for the budget conscious SQ freak....

sT $1455
Don't bother with a LPSU for the sT, it really will not make much difference.
Drop the SOtM, use an ultraRendu = $875
LPS-1 for ultraRendu = $395
Mutec MC3+USB = $1160

Total = $3885, a little cheaper than the Zenith

Now for some speculation..... I reckon that the above would offer significantly better sound quality into a Devialet Expert versus the Zenith. I have not listened to the Zenith, so this IS speculation, but read back though the thread, it does not look like the Innous has done that much to optimise the USB output, add this to reports that even top notch USB sources such as the Aurender N10 sound better via AES/EBU, I am sure you get the idea. Of course, if someone ever gets to actually try the Innous in a A/B test with something equivalent, maybe the results will prove different.
1000 Pro - KEF Blade - SOtM sMS-200Ultra Neo - tX-USBultra - Mutec REF10 - MC3+USB - Pro-Ject Signature 12
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#35
is Mutec MC-3+ usb the only worthwhile device to do a USB > AES/EBU for the devialets ?
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B&W 802 D3  >  AQ Redwood Single-BiWire  |  PowerCords : SR Atmosphere for Devialet
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#36
I wish someone could do A/B testing with Innuos, Roon/AIR, SOtM or Sonore w/wo Mutec Smile

Innuos has 30-day "love it or return it" guarantee, so there shouldn't be any risk in this. I would love to do this comparison but I don't have any of those fancy devices like SOtM, Sonore or Mutec.
http://www.innuos.com/en/go/faqs-returns
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#37
(07-Nov-2017, 14:12)audio_engr Wrote: is Mutec MC-3+ usb the only worthwhile device to do a USB > AES/EBU for the devialets ?

There are certainly other options, some of which have been discussed on the forum already.  Last time I looked these included, for example:

* Matrix Audio X-SPDIF 2 (http://store.matrix-digi.com/index.php?r...duct_id=65)
* M2Tech hiFace Evo Two (http://lnx.m2tech.biz/products/evo-two/hiface-evo-two/)
* Gustard U12

Depends what you mean by "worthwhile"...
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#38
(07-Nov-2017, 15:41)thumb5 Wrote:
(07-Nov-2017, 14:12)audio_engr Wrote: is Mutec MC-3+ usb the only worthwhile device to do a USB > AES/EBU for the devialets ?

There are certainly other options, some of which have been discussed on the forum already.  Last time I looked these included, for example:

* Matrix Audio X-SPDIF 2 (http://store.matrix-digi.com/index.php?r...duct_id=65)
* M2Tech hiFace Evo Two (http://lnx.m2tech.biz/products/evo-two/hiface-evo-two/)
* Gustard U12

Depends what you mean by "worthwhile"...

Plus the Singxer SU-1......

https://www.shenzhenaudio.com/singxer-su...6-dop.html

And the soon to be released Sonore ultraDigital (USB to S/PDIF RCA)

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forum...ent-736441

Sometimes you can have too many choices Huh
1000 Pro - KEF Blade - SOtM sMS-200Ultra Neo - tX-USBultra - Mutec REF10 - MC3+USB - Pro-Ject Signature 12
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#39
I think the choice which server is dependent not only on the quality of the server but also on which input sounds best. If that will be ethernet after infinity core board upgrade (with new input and switch) the Zenith will be very likely what I want but if not I will look for something with AES out as I want to avoid multiple boxes/connections.
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#40
I am currently using the SOtM sMS-200Ultra and SOtM sPS-500 with standard copper wire with a Melco N1A. The result is spectacular to say the least. End game really.
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