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RE: SOtM SMS-200 - Kwan - 21-Jun-2017
Anyone has use sms-200 ultra with Devialet yet and any comment ? Especially compare with the non Ultra version. Thanks.
RE: SOtM SMS-200 - zdenes - 22-Jun-2017
I have an ultra but never had the non-ultra, so I'm of no use in this comparison. Nevertheless, it sounds fantastic. Before the Devialet, the signal also goes through a Mutec MC-3 USB+. Maybe I will try without the Mutec in the future, especially that Mutec doesn't let DSD go through.
RE: SOtM SMS-200 - Kwan - 24-Jun-2017
(22-Jun-2017, 22:38)zdenes Wrote: I have an ultra but never had the non-ultra, so I'm of no use in this comparison. Nevertheless, it sounds fantastic. Before the Devialet, the signal also goes through a Mutec MC-3 USB+. Maybe I will try without the Mutec in the future, especially that Mutec doesn't let DSD go through.
thx for your sharing. I'm using my sms-200 with mutec MC-3 USB+ too, so wonder if it's favorable to upgrade to Ultra.
Given that I've mutec MC-3 USB+ already, if I've US$1k to spend for SQ improvement, shall I upgrade sms-200 to Ultra, or replace sms-200 with an TX-USBUltra, or add a clock to mutec ?
RE: SOtM SMS-200 - zdenes - 25-Jun-2017
You cannot replace the SMS-200 with a TX-USBultra as that is not a streamer but a USB hub with a good clock (same as in the SMS-200 ultra). You can keep the SMS-200 and add a TX-USBultra but then you will have two boxes and of course, you will need one more USB cable (a few hundred more dollars to burn). And...you will want a good quality power supply for the TX-USBultra too. So you'll be spending a lot more money than just getting a SMS-200 ultra. Adding an external clock to the Mutec is probably a good idea, especially their own Ref 10 but that is 3600 euros. I would definitely wait for reviews first.
RE: SOtM SMS-200 - Hifi_swlon - 25-Jun-2017
(25-Jun-2017, 20:45)zdenes Wrote: Adding an external clock to the Mutec is probably a good idea, especially their own Ref 10 but that is 3600 euros.
Plus I imagine you'd want to rip the PSU out of it and replace it with a much more expensive one. And factor in at least another grand for an acceptable BNC cable. So it's probably more like 5,000 all in.
(Sorry, I really know I shouldn't, but I just don't have the willpower to resist).
RE: SOtM SMS-200 - Kwan - 27-Jun-2017
(25-Jun-2017, 20:45)zdenes Wrote: You cannot replace the SMS-200 with a TX-USBultra as that is not a streamer but a USB hub with a good clock (same as in the SMS-200 ultra). You can keep the SMS-200 and add a TX-USBultra but then you will have two boxes and of course, you will need one more USB cable (a few hundred more dollars to burn). And...you will want a good quality power supply for the TX-USBultra too. So you'll be spending a lot more money than just getting a SMS-200 ultra. Adding an external clock to the Mutec is probably a good idea, especially their own Ref 10 but that is 3600 euros. I would definitely wait for reviews first.
What I mean replace is comparison of SQ between below 3 route :
1. NUC Roon server -> sms-200 -> mutec mc3 USB -> Devialet
2. NUC Roon server -> sms-200 -> tX-USBultra -> Devialet
3. NUC Roon server -> sotm tX-USBultra -> Devialet
I'm current setup is route 1 , switching to route 2 will cost me small amount of money, and route 3 cause me the least.
RE: SOtM SMS-200 - zdenes - 27-Jun-2017
I have feeling that of the above no.1 will sound the best. I don't think anybody has tried these, so you'll be the first one, please report back.
Why don't you try roon - sms200 - tx-USBulra - mutec - devialet?
RE: SOtM SMS-200 - Confused - 27-Jun-2017
(27-Jun-2017, 16:59)zdenes Wrote: I have feeling that of the above no.1 will sound the best. I don't think anybody has tried these, so you'll be the first one, please report back.
Why don't you try roon - sms200 - tx-USBulra - mutec - devialet?
Kwan - I would tend to agree with zdenes above. There has been quite a lot posted on this forum regarding the differences between sound quality via the Devialet's AES/EBU input versus USB. So if you make the assumption that AES/EBU input is preferred, then having a Mutec MC3+USB in the chain will most likely perform better than tx-USButlra. That said, I have read some very positive reports of the tx-USBultra over on Computer Audiophile, so maybe it just might work very well. Who knows, as zdenes mentions, you might actually be the first to try this with a Devialet. Another interesting option might be Uptone Audio's IsoRegen. The IsoRegen interests me because I suspect that some of the perceived deficit between the Devialet's USB and AES/EBU input may relate to isolation issues / ground loop type issues with the Devialet's USB input. But the same problem! I am not aware of anyone who has tried an IsoRegen with a Devialet either.
You can of course try the AES/EBU versus USB comparison yourself, this might give you some insight as to what the Mutec and AES offers regarding sound quality.
So the safe bet is the Mutec MC3+USB, because quite a few folk have tried one and reported good results. (to varying degrees) The rest is speculation, but who knows, there might be a giant killing brilliant solution out there waiting to be discovered. Who's going to go first?
RE: SOtM SMS-200 - Confused - 28-Jun-2017
Kwan, zdenes and others, there are some very interesting posts being written on Computer Audiophile at the moment, might be worth a look:
https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/30376-a-novel-way-to-massively-improve-the-sq-of-the-sms-200-and-microrendu/?page=105
(you might even want to read backwards from the page 105 per the link, depending on if you can spare a day or two!)
RE: SOtM SMS-200 - zdenes - 28-Jun-2017
Hi Confused,
Thank you, it is interesting indeed!
Zoltan