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RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - ogs - 06-Oct-2017
(06-Oct-2017, 08:30)agentsmith Wrote: And from my understanding even today if Devialet HQ cooperate, you could in theory send your room data to Devialet they can produce a customized configuration file to tailor the Devialet to your room and speakers.
Is this still on their website? I inquired about this some time ago. The answer was (something like) "we do not do this anymore". My understanding at the time was that the adoption was pure amplitude correction, so you couldn't have a convolution filter profiled for use in the DSP.
RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - deviousalet - 08-Oct-2017
It is funny how the "high end" often ignores the progress of "consumer-grade crap" until the former state of the art is eclipsed by the commodity level. Our hobby has plenty of this hubris. One of the reasons I chose Devialet is that they seem to combine a discerning attention to high-end sound with modern sensibilities about the rate of progress. Our rooms remain one of the hardest limitations to overcome. It would lovely to see Devialet bring high-end room correction to their products. It really would improve the sound in the real world of our houses. I hope they do it before Google, B&O, Kii, or the others eclipse them.
RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - listener - 08-Oct-2017
There is room correction with every Devialet expert already, since Roon is available. It is at a very high level with the included DSP mode. Haven't had the time yet, but will try it myself until end of year, latest.
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/a-guide-how-to-do-room-correction-and-use-it-in-roon/23800
RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - ondesx - 08-Oct-2017
I suggested to their Staff, as soon as I got my Silvers, i. e. few days after they were available here in France, that a room correction with a convolution procedure is investigated in order to remain in the front of the race for audio quality and audio facilities...
I don't received any answer from yet, but I hope that the staff still have this project in their todo list...
I tried to correct the response of the Phantom system in real time through several methods, but the lag is presently too long (160 ms for the Silvers it seems...). I'll investigate the REW+ROON suggested by Listener in a near future, but still remain not very optimistic about the results. Anyway, I've to make the experiment before any conclusion...
RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - Axel - 09-Oct-2017
I don’t see any reason why Roon/Rew room correction shouldn’t work with Phantom, and the time lag shouldn’t prove a problem.
I reckon it would give you greatly improved sound.
RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - petrik - 09-Oct-2017
Yes, but the problem is that how can I use the Roon's room correction with turntable or any other inputs of the Devialet? The only solution is to have some kind of built-in room correction feature in Devialet.
RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - mak972 - 09-Oct-2017
I love the way deviousalet explain it, I feel the same.
Devialet Phantom is an extreme product in a lot of way and people that buy it are looking for the very best sound. But I think Apple / Google and company like Sonos that are making consumer grade will get some potential Devialet customers.
(08-Oct-2017, 00:41)deviousalet Wrote: One of the reasons I chose Devialet is that they seem to combine a discerning attention to high-end sound with modern sensibilities about the rate of progress. Our rooms remain one of the hardest limitations to overcome. It would lovely to see Devialet bring high-end room correction to their products. It really would improve the sound in the real world of our houses. I hope they do it before Google, B&O, Kii, or the others eclipse them.
RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - ondesx - 09-Oct-2017
(09-Oct-2017, 00:39)Axel Wrote: I don’t see any reason why Roon/Rew room correction shouldn’t work with Phantom, and the time lag shouldn’t prove a problem.
I reckon it would give you greatly improved sound.
I hope you're right, but my last experience using a professional software from Sonarworks failed in the final step because the lag was too large...
I'll give it a try asap !
RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - ogs - 09-Oct-2017
I had a pair of Phantom White home for test about a year ago. Doing measurements with Audiolense was no problem. Phantoms responded very well to RC.
I agree with @petrik. The convolver must run after the inputs to be available for all sources. Goes for Expert amps as well as Phantoms. I use Roon today and I am very happy with their convolver (or the whole DSP...), but I am still waiting for a solution that enables me to play 'live' vinyl through a convolver
RE: Google using AI for Room Correction - Axel - 09-Oct-2017
(09-Oct-2017, 14:14)ogs Wrote: I had a pair of Phantom White home for test about a year ago. Doing measurements with Audiolense was no problem. Phantoms responded very well to RC.Yes, we’re all in the same boat and it would be ideal if RC was done by the amp. Is it very likely though? Expert Pro owners are waiting with baited breath for the first fittings of the CI board, when it will be clear where Devialet are taking us.
I agree with @petrik. The convolver must run after the inputs to be available for all sources. Goes for Expert amps as well as Phantoms. I use Roon today and I am very happy with their convolver (or the whole DSP...), but I am still waiting for a solution that enables me to play 'live' vinyl through a convolver