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Phantoms Roon ready? - ogs - 09-Apr-2019

Sorry if the thread title is a bit teasing.

I asked Devialet support about RAAT for Phantoms. Here is the answer I got: "-Devialet Phantom is NOT Roon-ready yet so Roon Raat is not an option at this stage"

In my view this is promising as I read this like "... we are working on it but won't tell anyone". The "yet" and "at this stage" in the answer is significant in indicating that at some point Phantoms will have RAAT.

As with everything Devialet I could be wrong...

RE: Phantoms Roon ready? - GuillaumeB - 09-Apr-2019

My understanding is that it's in the pipeline...  Angel

Cheers

Guillaume

RE: Phantoms Roon ready? - Jamington2004 - 09-Apr-2019

So is built in EQ and I’ve been waiting longest! Wink

RE: Phantoms Roon ready? - Snoopy8 - 10-Apr-2019

(09-Apr-2019, 10:16)ogs Wrote: I asked Devialet support about RAAT for Phantoms. Here is the answer I got: "-Devialet Phantom is NOT Roon-ready yet so Roon Raat is not an option at this stage"

In my view this is promising as I read this like "... we are working on it but won't tell anyone".  The "yet" and "at this stage" in the answer is significant in indicating that at some point Phantoms will have RAAT.
You got told more than me when I asked!  My answer was a non-committal "we can't say anything".  

Am trialling Roon. Roon Air to the Phantoms is not as good as Upnp to the same library.  Without RAAT, it is unlikely that I will take up Roon.

RE: Phantoms Roon ready? - Pim - 10-Apr-2019

(09-Apr-2019, 10:31)GuillaumeB Wrote: My understanding is that it's in the pipeline...  Angel

Cheers

Guillaume

Isn't 'the pipeline' all about getting the Expert, Phantom and Reactor to all work on the same platform / OS? That's going to be a loooooooong pipeline.

RE: Phantoms Roon ready? - ogs - 10-Apr-2019

(10-Apr-2019, 05:42)Snoopy8 Wrote: Roon Air to the Phantoms is not as good as Upnp to the same library.

I'm guessing you mean AirPlay here. Devialet suggests AirPlay and even Bluetooth (but saying that BT might be lower quality.... yeah lossy transfer). UPnP is probably better for highres but Roon does not run UPnP. Optical from a Pi+HAT+Ropieee is the best workaround for use with Roon I suppose.

RE: Phantoms Roon ready? - Snoopy8 - 10-Apr-2019

(10-Apr-2019, 06:24)ogs Wrote:
(10-Apr-2019, 05:42)Snoopy8 Wrote: Roon Air to the Phantoms is not as good as Upnp to the same library.

I'm guessing you mean AirPlay here. Devialet suggests AirPlay and even Bluetooth (but saying that BT might be lower quality.... yeah lossy transfer). UPnP is probably better for highres but Roon does not run UPnP. Optical from a Pi+HAT+Ropieee is the best workaround for use with Roon I suppose.
Unfortunately, optical is worse than Airplay (Roon Air) with a collapsed sound stage. Tried streamer with linear power supply, glass optical cable, still not good enough... Hence, my focus on Upnp.

RE: Phantoms Roon ready? - ogs - 10-Apr-2019

If there is a big difference between AirPlay and optical, where you perceive AirPlay as better, I'd suspect some error on the optical. Optical should actually be on par with UPnP. Not identical, but about the same level of quality. When I switch between the optical and AES/EBU input of my 250 (both driven by a Mutec MC-3) there is a very small difference. AES/EBU is better, but not dramatically so.

RE: Phantoms Roon ready? - Snoopy8 - 10-Apr-2019

(10-Apr-2019, 09:50)ogs Wrote: If there is a big difference between AirPlay and optical, where you perceive AirPlay as  better, I'd suspect some error on the optical. Optical should actually be on par with UPnP. Not identical, but about the same level of quality. When I switch between the optical and AES/EBU input of my 250 (both driven by a Mutec MC-3) there is a very small difference. AES/EBU is better, but not dramatically so.

Airplay is better than Optical. 

There may be no difference in the 250, but for the Phantom Gold, the optical input is a disappointment.  Have tried optical to both the Dialogue and Phantom. In both cases, the sound stage is squished in comparison and I have used quality cables and streamers.  It is unlikely that both optical inputs are faulty.  I suspect that the optical has not been implemented well in the Phantoms, paired as a stereo pair.

RE: Phantoms Roon ready? - ogs - 10-Apr-2019

I see. Your explanation makes sense. I have seen comments that sound via Spark is good. As this is streaming over network (ethernet, wifi, PLC), it is different from Toslink. Should make a future RAAT extra desirable.