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Entreq grounding boxes
(09-Nov-2015, 21:06)f1eng Wrote: I believe that both the boxes and the cables themselves act as aerials and pick up low level noise from the equipment and its cables and add it into the ground plane.
Added noise gives the impression of greater stereo depth and width.
It seems a monstrously expensive way to get the effect, but if that is what it is it is a real effect which I have had demonstrated to me in the past and liked.

I honestly can't see any scientifically sound means by which it could do anything else audible. The screens on the interconnects will most certainly be earthing all the signal grounds together very effectively without adding such boxes or cables.

Your theory is very interesting Frank.

For what it's worth the ground boxes were originally designed to ground their cables, which are unshielded. I believe it was by accident that someone tried directly grounding a hifi device as such.

I have experimented a lot with Entreq products and I have to say overall I am pretty impressed by what they do. In some setups and in some combinations though I concede the effect can be very subtle. Of course I have very little scientific understanding so perhaps that makes me a little more pragmatic (or stupid, take your pick!).

One notable experiment which I think I reported on here involved comparing a Linn Akurate DSM to a Totaldac d1 server with both connected to the Devialet master at the same time. Toggling between the two it was very easy to hear which one was the Akurate DSM (and I'm pretty sure I could have done that unsighted). The Akurate sounded "dull" whereas the the Totaldac sounded lively. After grounding the Akurate using an Entreq cable (connected to a ground box) it became very difficult to tell the difference between the two sources (in classic A/B testing). The Totaldac was not grounded in this experiment. I found this result to be almost a smoking gun in proving (to myself!) that the Entreq system was doing something

Another application of the ground boxes involves connecting an Entreq cable to each negative return on the Devialet amplifier, with each ground cable connected to a separate ground box. Unlike signal grounding whereby you connect the ground cable to a spare RCA port at the back of the Devialet the effect is pretty much instantaneous. Because the Entreq spade is a bit of a faff to connect to the Devialet speaker terminal I left it connected to the Devialet and instead disconnected the Entreq grounding at the ground box end to test the effect. Each time the ground box was connected to the box an effect was heard. So to my mind the box was doing something.

Anyway I acknowledge these experiments are not scientific and certainly do not account/compensate for experimenter's bias but I did feel that the Akurate test was significant at least.

Guillaume
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Entreq grounding boxes - by Rufus McDufus - 01-Jun-2014, 17:44
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RE: Entreq grounding boxes - by GuillaumeB - 02-Jun-2014, 22:32
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