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SAM Lab - where are they?
#1
I have not heard anything lately on the geographical progress of this traveling  tour.  Can anyone provide some info on this?  Much appreciated!

Cheers.
Devialet 400; KEF Reference 3; custom built Server 2012 with JRiver & Audiophile Optimizer; med grade wall socket; 10 AWG speaker cable bi-wire & un-terminated; AudioQuest Carbon USB with Jitterbug; Shunyata Venom 3 power cables.
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#2
They are in Sweden this week end
Qnap Ts-451 -> Auralic Aries->Wireworld Digital Gold Starlight 7 xlr -> Devialet 200 -> Purist Audio Design Venustas -> Sonus faber Cremona M
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#3
On the Swedish Euphonia forum is a couple of pictures from Audio concept in Stockholm were SAM Lab is this weekend.

http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums...ntry197033

From post #175
[url=http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/index.php?showtopic=10680&st=165&gopid=197033&#entry197033][/url]
Speakers:TAD CE-1. Amplifier: TAD M2500mk2. Digital: TAD DA1000-TX, Innuos Statement Next-gen, Innuos PhoenixNET.

Miscellaneous: Qobuz Studio, Ansuz Mainz 8 D2, Ansuz Darkz DTC, Tubulus Argentus ethernet cable, Tubulus Concentus USB cable, Tubulus Argentus V2 XLR cable, Tubulus Argentus V3 + V3 bass, iFi Nova powercables. 

Second system
Qobuz Studio -> Devialet Silver Phantom, Devialet Tree









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#4
(05-Sep-2015, 11:33)octaviars Wrote: On the Swedish Euphonia forum is a couple of pictures from Audio concept in Stockholm were SAM Lab is this weekend.

http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums...ntry197033

From post #175
[url=http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/index.php?showtopic=10680&st=165&gopid=197033&#entry197033][/url]

Did they measure the Sasha 2?!

Guillaume
Industry disclosure: UK distributor for Shunyata Research

220 PRO, totaldac d1 server with additional external power supply, totaldac d1-seven, Echole PSU for Totaldac, Wilson Audio Sasha 2, Shunyata Research cables, Shunyata Hydra Alpha A10 + DPC-6 v3, Various Entreq ground boxes and cables, Entreq Athena level 3 rack, 2 X SOtM sNH-10G with sCLK-EX + 10MHz Master Clock input + sPS-500 PSU, i5 sonicTransporter w/ 1TB SSD

UK
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#5
(05-Sep-2015, 12:08)GuillaumeB Wrote:
(05-Sep-2015, 11:33)octaviars Wrote: On the Swedish Euphonia forum is a couple of pictures from Audio concept in Stockholm were SAM Lab is this weekend.

http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums...ntry197033

From post #175
[url=http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/index.php?showtopic=10680&st=165&gopid=197033&#entry197033][/url]

Did they measure the Sasha 2?!

Guillaume
Interesting question Guillaume.  When I spoke to Mathieu Pernod at the Phantom launch about my SAM 2 problems, he suggested that it would be a good idea to get the Blades SAM Lab'ed when on tour in the UK.  However, in very recent correspondence with Deavialet support, when I asked if it would be of benefit to to do this, the response was no, as follows:

"Measurements between V1 and SAM LAB (or V2) are the same.

SAM LAB has been designed to be as accurate and reliable as the measuring laboratory equipment.
More than 230 speakers have been sammed V1 in the laboratory. All speaker profiles were moved in V2 from the original measurements, without considering the V1 profile. So there is no difference between the V2 profile of a sammed speaker in our laboratory and the same speaker with the SAM LAB."

So I'm still unclear on this one, and I would love to hear the experience of any one who has migrated from a converted SAM 1 profile running in SAM 2, to it's SAM'ed lab equivalent.  Are they really the same?
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#6
(05-Sep-2015, 12:08)GuillaumeB Wrote:
(05-Sep-2015, 11:33)octaviars Wrote: On the Swedish Euphonia forum is a couple of pictures from Audio concept in Stockholm were SAM Lab is this weekend.

http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums...ntry197033

From post #175
[url=http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/index.php?showtopic=10680&st=165&gopid=197033&#entry197033][/url]

Did they measure the Sasha 2?!

Guillaume
 
I dont know, if you email to Robert at Audio concept you can tell them to do it. I have asked in another thread on Swedish Hififorum if the Sasha 2 are meausured with SAM Lab at Audio concept.
Speakers:TAD CE-1. Amplifier: TAD M2500mk2. Digital: TAD DA1000-TX, Innuos Statement Next-gen, Innuos PhoenixNET.

Miscellaneous: Qobuz Studio, Ansuz Mainz 8 D2, Ansuz Darkz DTC, Tubulus Argentus ethernet cable, Tubulus Concentus USB cable, Tubulus Argentus V2 XLR cable, Tubulus Argentus V3 + V3 bass, iFi Nova powercables. 

Second system
Qobuz Studio -> Devialet Silver Phantom, Devialet Tree









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#7
(05-Sep-2015, 12:34)octaviars Wrote:
(05-Sep-2015, 12:08)GuillaumeB Wrote:
(05-Sep-2015, 11:33)octaviars Wrote: On the Swedish Euphonia forum is a couple of pictures from Audio concept in Stockholm were SAM Lab is this weekend.

http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums...ntry197033

From post #175
[url=http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/index.php?showtopic=10680&st=165&gopid=197033&#entry197033][/url]

Did they measure the Sasha 2?!

Guillaume
 
I dont know, if you email to Robert at Audio concept you can tell them to do it. I have asked in another thread on Swedish Hififorum if the Sasha 2 are meausured with SAM Lab at Audio concept.

Thanks!  Smile 

Guillaume
Industry disclosure: UK distributor for Shunyata Research

220 PRO, totaldac d1 server with additional external power supply, totaldac d1-seven, Echole PSU for Totaldac, Wilson Audio Sasha 2, Shunyata Research cables, Shunyata Hydra Alpha A10 + DPC-6 v3, Various Entreq ground boxes and cables, Entreq Athena level 3 rack, 2 X SOtM sNH-10G with sCLK-EX + 10MHz Master Clock input + sPS-500 PSU, i5 sonicTransporter w/ 1TB SSD

UK
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#8
(05-Sep-2015, 12:25)Confused Wrote:
(05-Sep-2015, 12:08)GuillaumeB Wrote:
(05-Sep-2015, 11:33)octaviars Wrote: On the Swedish Euphonia forum is a couple of pictures from Audio concept in Stockholm were SAM Lab is this weekend.

http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums...ntry197033

From post #175
[url=http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/index.php?showtopic=10680&st=165&gopid=197033&#entry197033][/url]

Did they measure the Sasha 2?!

Guillaume
Interesting question Guillaume.  When I spoke to Mathieu Pernod at the Phantom launch about my SAM 2 problems, he suggested that it would be a good idea to get the Blades SAM Lab'ed when on tour in the UK.  However, in very recent correspondence with Deavialet support, when I asked if it would be of benefit to to do this, the response was no, as follows:

"Measurements between V1 and SAM LAB (or V2) are the same.

SAM LAB has been designed to be as accurate and reliable as the measuring laboratory equipment.
More than 230 speakers have been sammed V1 in the laboratory. All speaker profiles were moved in V2 from the original measurements, without considering the V1 profile. So there is no difference between the V2 profile of a sammed speaker in our laboratory and the same speaker with the SAM LAB."

So I'm still unclear on this one, and I would love to hear the experience of any one who has migrated from a converted SAM 1 profile running in SAM 2, to it's SAM'ed lab equivalent.  Are they really the same?

Thanks Confused. My understanding from speaking to a Devialet dealer is that there are quite a few manual processes involved in creating a SAM profile and that therefore there might be a possibility of human error in creating SAM profiles, or at least variability in results. That coupled with Mathieu's comment makes me keen to have the Sasha 2 remeasured, and ideally mine! Wink

Guillaume
Industry disclosure: UK distributor for Shunyata Research

220 PRO, totaldac d1 server with additional external power supply, totaldac d1-seven, Echole PSU for Totaldac, Wilson Audio Sasha 2, Shunyata Research cables, Shunyata Hydra Alpha A10 + DPC-6 v3, Various Entreq ground boxes and cables, Entreq Athena level 3 rack, 2 X SOtM sNH-10G with sCLK-EX + 10MHz Master Clock input + sPS-500 PSU, i5 sonicTransporter w/ 1TB SSD

UK
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#9
So how would this work? lets say you have a SAM profile on the Devialet website / configurator (as the Sasha's, Blade and many others currently do), and then a SAM Lab profile is produced, either for you own personal actual speakers, or maybe the equivalent model stocked at the dealer hosting SAM Lab, maybe someone else's equivalent speaker. You are setting up your configuration cards, the "official" profile can be selected in the configurator. But how do you get SAM lab'ed profiles loaded? These could be your own, someone else's, ones done at a dealers etc., but only that "original" profile from the configurator can be selected. I'm assuming that as people get their speakers SAM Lab'ed, models not previously "SAM ready", these new profiles are added to the configurator pull down list for all owners to select, but what about any "alternative" profiles?
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