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Help in streaming for Devialet 120
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Hello,

My humble setup is Devialet 120 with Salk speakers ( Silk Tower).  Devialet firmware  I am using is 7.1.3.
I used to play songs from Tidal or local flac/wav files. While playing I used to connect my laptop with ethernet cable ( disable wifi assuming that it will reduce noise)  and I use a Cat6 ethernet cable from router to Devialet 120.
While playing from Tidal with some songs there was crackling sound and I stopped using this method  Angry  
I use to play from Oppo using spdif connection to Devialet and it worked well but felt sound quality is not up to mark especially while using Tidal Confused .

Now to solve this issue I was thinking of getting Roon and install Roon core on my laptop ( I dont use it for any other purpose) and use Ethernet connection to Devialet 120 from router.Will this help in fixing crackling issue and have good sound quality?
I read little bit about Roon's implementation of Devialet AIR

Another question I have is does quality of the machine where roon (core) is installed matter  lot or  depends only on Devialets roon endpoint implementation?  Now my Devialet looks like old and I dont see expert models on Devialet website anymore. I assume they dont provide new firmware for Expert models.

Please let me know . 

Thanks in advance
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#2
(21-Jun-2020, 01:47)lal99 Wrote: Hello,

My humble setup is Devialet 120 with Salk speakers ( Silk Tower).  Devialet firmware  I am using is 7.1.3.
I used to play songs from Tidal or local flac/wav files. While playing I used to connect my laptop with ethernet cable ( disable wifi assuming that it will reduce noise)  and I use a Cat6 ethernet cable from router to Devialet 120.
While playing from Tidal with some songs there was crackling sound and I stopped using this method  Angry  
I use to play from Oppo using spdif connection to Devialet and it worked well but felt sound quality is not up to mark especially while using Tidal Confused .

Now to solve this issue I was thinking of getting Roon and install Roon core on my laptop ( I dont use it for any other purpose) and use Ethernet connection to Devialet 120 from router.Will this help in fixing crackling issue and have good sound quality?
I read little bit about Roon's implementation of Devialet AIR

Another question I have is does quality of the machine where roon (core) is installed matter  lot or  depends only on Devialets roon endpoint implementation?  Now my Devialet looks like old and I dont see expert models on Devialet website anymore. I assume they dont provide new firmware for Expert models.

Please let me know . 

Thanks in advance

Hi lal99, look here!

https://www.devialet.com/de-de/expert-pro-audio-system/

https://help.devialet.com/hc/en-us/categ...5-Products
Devialet 220Pro/CI, B&W 802 D3, McIntosh MA9000, Audio Physic Avantera III, Linn Klimax DS/Katalyst, Burmester 089 CD, Melco N10 + D100, S100. Cable Audioquest (NRG-10,Diamond,K2,Yukon,Coffee etc.), iPad-Pro, KECES P8 Dual, Sbooster MKII, Qobuz Studio
IsoTek: 2 x EVO3 Genesis One, EVO3 Titan One, EVO3 Syncro 
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#3
On your questions about Roon:

Most people (from reports here) have found that Roon's built-in version of AIR works much more reliably than the Devialet "virtual sound card" driver that you were originally using with your laptop, so if your network is generally stable you should be able to stream over Ethernet without crackles or drop-outs.

There can be endless debate about whether the machine you run Roon on affects the sound quality, so I'll stay out of that and just say: try it for yourself. You can get a free 14-day trial of Roon and it's fairly easy to install so there's not much to lose if you decide you don't like it within that time.
Roon (Mac Mini), Wilson Benesch Full Circle, Expert 1000 Pro CI, Kaiser Chiara
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#4
Almost as soon as Roon became available I knew that it should be the natural choice for those wanting a technologically sound streaming platform. I guess I had it linked via AIR until RoonReady came along. My basic setup has not changed. Roon and Tidal run on my now old MacBook Air. You don’t have to worry about your Roon host being linked directly to your Devialet or the router as long as your Devialet itself is preferably directly linked to your router. The music is delivered via the internet, Roon just controls the process and that does not need much bandwidth. Obviously if your music is stored on a PC or network drive then how those are linked to your network will be a potential issue. Roon will still see the music wherever it is on your network.

There is absolutely no reason for you to get poor sound quality unless there is a problem with your hardware or internet chain. Additionally, I was thinking of having a stand alone Roon Server until only this week. I was fed up of having to be signed into my MacBook to be able to play music through my iPad or iPhone. However, as long as the PC has been signed into and not powered down at some point during the day, and you keep the laptop lid open, Roon will happily run on all satellite devices uninterrupted.
Devialet 1000 Pro CI, Chord Signature Reference speaker cables, B&W 803 D3 speakers

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#5
I did have problems with streaming from my SonicTransporter via Ethernet to my Expert 120 via Deviate’s AIR. Particularly 24/192 high-Resolution files caused intermittent crackling. Also, Roon indicated that transport was not bit-perfect anymore. I suspected the reason to be in the 1 Gb/s switch I was using. So I dug out my old Airport Extreme to run it exclusively in 2.4 GHz mode that reduces the Speed to 450 Mb/s. Since then, everything runs perfectly fine, everything’s bit perfect, no crackles whatsoever. Hope this helps.
SonicTransporter i5 - AirPort Extreme - Devialet Expert 120 - ATC SCM 19 v1
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#6
First, I would recommend reading Roon's support page on best networking practices https://kb.roonlabs.com/Networking_Best_Practices and checking if there is something in it which helps you get better results with your current setup without Roon. They have suggestions applying to several different routers and there may be a simple setting change you can make to improve your current situation. There have also been a few recent posts here about problems with Devialet's AIR app since the last Windows update. You mention a laptop but not whether it is a Mac or a Windows machine. If it's aa Windows machine there may be something in those posts which could help.

As others have said, Roon now includes its own implementation of Devialet AIR which you select in Roon's audio settings. That works fine with the Expert range as well as the Expert Pro range. You won't be able to access your 120 as a Roon Ready endpoint, that requires an Expert Pro, but Roon will see your 120 on y our network and offer you its AIR option in its Audio Settings menu. It seems to be universally accepted that Roon's version of AIR works much better than Devialet's but you should disable the Devialet AIR app on your laptop and, preferably, delete it so it doesn't interfere with Roon. If you're using the free Roon trial to test things out, disable the Devialet app and compress it into a zip file so it can't run. If you decide not to use Roon it's easy then to unzip the Devialet App and start using it again.

You have several options for the network connection. You can try wifi but I had problems with that. You can run an ethernet connection to you 120 from your router or you could even run it from your laptop placed near your 120 and connect the laptop to your network via wifi. Then there's @Sailor4W 's suggestion of placing a wifi device near your 120 and connecting the wifi device to your 120 via ethernet. I did that with an Airport Extreme for a long time in my setup before having a wired connection installed from my router in a different room to a wall point near my 140. All of those connection methods should work. You may also be able to use a wifi device near your 120 and get better wifi reception with your 120. I think part of my problem with not being able to get good wifi reception with my 140 was due to the fact that I was trying that before it got the CI board upgrade so it still had the internal wifi antenna and I think the rear cover over the connections at the back of the amp was blocking good wifi reception. Wired connections can definitely be more reliable than wifi.

You asked whether the device you run Roon on can affect sound quality. I think that if you're running Roon on a computer that is also being used for other purposes such as email or routine timed backups or you're doing some kind of work on the computer while also listening to Roon, the other activities might affect sound quality because they're placing additional demands on the processor. I think Roon works best when it's the only app running at the time which is one of the reasons I moved to using a dedicated server which only runs Roon but if there's only light other activity going on and Roon isn't doing any demanding DSP processing you may not notice anything, You said you could use the laptop solely for Roon so if you do that, I'd program any automated backups you do on the laptop for running after you go to bed at night and not at times when you're likely to be listening to music.
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Brisbane, Qld, Australia
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#7
(21-Jun-2020, 07:16)K4680 Wrote: Hi lal99, look here!

https://www.devialet.com/de-de/expert-pro-audio-system/

https://help.devialet.com/hc/en-us/categ...5-Products
Thank you very much for your support.
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#8
(21-Jun-2020, 08:50)thumb5 Wrote: On your questions about Roon:

Most people (from reports here) have found that Roon's built-in version of AIR works much more reliably than the Devialet "virtual sound card" driver that you were originally using with your laptop, so if your network is generally stable you should be able to stream over Ethernet without crackles or drop-outs.

There can be endless debate about whether the machine you run Roon on affects the sound quality, so I'll stay out of that and just say: try it for yourself.  You can get a free 14-day trial of Roon and it's fairly easy to install so there's not much to lose if you decide you don't like it within that time.

Thank you very much thumb5. Great to know that Roon air works well. My Devialet since it is not pro version doesnt have CI board and 
looks like no more new firmware's which I understand it is the nature of business.
I will get roon trial and try myself and decide. 

A fiend in general mentioned that the quality of roon endpoint determines the sound quality rather than the core or server.

Thanks once again.
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#9
(21-Jun-2020, 09:06)Gerronwithit Wrote: Almost as soon as Roon became available I knew that it should be the natural choice for those wanting a technologically sound streaming platform. I guess I had it linked via AIR until RoonReady came along. My basic setup has not changed. Roon and Tidal run on my now old MacBook Air. You don’t have to worry about your Roon host being linked directly to your Devialet or the router as long as your Devialet itself is preferably directly linked to your router. The music is delivered via the internet, Roon just controls the process and that does not need much bandwidth. Obviously if your music is stored on a PC or network drive then how those are linked to your network will be a potential issue. Roon will still see the music wherever it is on your network.

There is absolutely no reason for you to get poor sound quality unless there is a problem with your hardware or internet chain. Additionally, I was thinking of having a stand alone Roon Server until only this week. I was fed up of having to be signed into my MacBook to be able to play music through my iPad or iPhone. However, as long as the PC has been signed into and not powered down at some point during the day, and you keep the laptop lid open, Roon will happily run on all satellite devices uninterrupted.

Thanks Gerronwithit for your inputs. I didnt have issue while playing with Roon. My roon expired and after that I was playing Tidal and flac files using Devialet air ( using ethernet) and I was getting crackling sound. May be the way I wrote it was not very clear.
Based on suggestion I will get roon and try and if it is good I will subscribe it.

Thank you.

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(21-Jun-2020, 09:31)Sailor4W Wrote: I did have problems with streaming from my SonicTransporter via Ethernet to my Expert 120 via Deviate’s AIR. Particularly 24/192 high-Resolution files caused intermittent crackling. Also, Roon indicated that transport was not bit-perfect anymore. I suspected the reason to be in the 1 Gb/s switch I was using. So I dug out my old Airport Extreme to run it exclusively in 2.4 GHz mode that reduces the Speed to 450 Mb/s. Since then, everything runs perfectly fine, everything’s bit perfect, no crackles whatsoever. Hope this helps.

I assume you were using Roon and Sonic transporter was acting as roon core. I had issue with 24/192 and even CD quality. But I was not using roon just devialet air. You were using a separate switch? 
In my case I was just using my router.

Using SonicTransporter provided better sound quality compared to using mac mini or laptop?  Please let me know.
Friend of mine suggested SonicTransporter and another friend said only quality of roon endpoint matters.

Thank you.
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