Poll: What is the one 'must have' feature that you would like the streamer board to feature?
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Roon RAAT compatible
43.28%
58 43.28%
UPnP
5.22%
7 5.22%
HQPlayer compatibility
0.75%
1 0.75%
Spotify connect
2.24%
3 2.24%
Apple compatibility, iTunes / Airplay
2.99%
4 2.99%
Self-hosted configuration mechanism to allow changes to the Devialet's configuration on the fly
5.97%
8 5.97%
Support for SPARK, to include Phantom compatibility via PLC
2.24%
3 2.24%
A fully self contained streaming system, i.e. no need for a computer, just add NAS or USB memory with music.
20.15%
27 20.15%
I would accept any kind of functionality if sound quality is clearly superior to AIR
9.70%
13 9.70%
Virtual soundcard, much like AIR but with superior sound quality and stability
7.46%
10 7.46%
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The new Streamer Board - What is the 'must have' feature
#11
(22-Jan-2017, 14:12)mdconnelly Wrote: The Devialet site describes this new board in a more expansive manner than just as a streaming board... Here's what it says...

Thanks to its unique architecture, your new Expert Pro will be able to support Devialet OS in 2017 via the integration of a new electronic card.

This dedicated card will add more brain power to your Expert Pro and enable new features, such as UPnP/DLNA. It will be offered to you for free as soon as it is available, for all Upgrades before 31st December 2016 (value of $1,800).


Admittedly, this is mostly marketing speak, but I can't imagine UPnP/DLNA will be it's primary purpose, much less the primary feature customers want.  Has anyone seen a more indepth description?

I voted for Roon RAAT but in truth, I'd like to think that an $1800 board is being designed to provide far more capability and/or better sound quality integral to the future of the Expert Pro.

Your post made me realise that I'd missed DLNA from the options list!  Oh well, I guess this is not the end of the world because as you mention UPnP/DLNA are protocols that Devialet have already advised are supported.

I would suggest that my UPnP option is simply extended to be UPnP/DLNA.  Ironically sometimes I use DLNA myself, via JRiver and the microRendu, so I should have known better!

As to the 'more brain power' that Devialet refer to, this could of course mean many things.  As an example I am sure that a few folk would like the addition of room correction, but who knows what Devialet might have in mind.

As for your thought that a $1800 product should have decent capability and sound quality, I think you might have a point.  Time will tell, but I am actually quite optimistic that the sound quality will be excellent.  There are a few reasons for this.  One thing I know is that a large proportion of the cost of many hifi components is actually taken by the design and production of the case.  In the case of the Devialet streamer, this cost is zero, so the entire cost should refer to R&D and the actual electronics.  (assuming the figure was not simply made up by the marketing team).  The other reason I am optimistic relate to past conversations that I have has with Devialet's chief design engineer Mathieu Pernod.  I think I have met him three times now, and on each occasion it has been clear to me that his primary interest is sound quality.  Oddly enough, he has never appeared that keen on things like Roon & MQA, that is locking Devialet into anything that requires licensing, subscriptions from customers and similar.  But he does appear to be very driven with respect to things that matter to sound quality.  We will find out in due course, but there is reason to be optimistic I think. Shy  (Unless your primary interest is Roon & MQA) Angry
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(22-Jan-2017, 16:45)Confused Wrote:
(22-Jan-2017, 14:12)mdconnelly Wrote: The Devialet site describes this new board in a more expansive manner than just as a streaming board... Here's what it says...

Thanks to its unique architecture, your new Expert Pro will be able to support Devialet OS in 2017 via the integration of a new electronic card.

This dedicated card will add more brain power to your Expert Pro and enable new features, such as UPnP/DLNA. It will be offered to you for free as soon as it is available, for all Upgrades before 31st December 2016 (value of $1,800).


Admittedly, this is mostly marketing speak, but I can't imagine UPnP/DLNA will be it's primary purpose, much less the primary feature customers want.  Has anyone seen a more indepth description?

I voted for Roon RAAT but in truth, I'd like to think that an $1800 board is being designed to provide far more capability and/or better sound quality integral to the future of the Expert Pro.

Your post made me realise that I'd missed DLNA from the options list!  Oh well, I guess this is not the end of the world because as you mention UPnP/DLNA are protocols that Devialet have already advised are supported.

I would suggest that my UPnP option is simply extended to be UPnP/DLNA.  Ironically sometimes I use DLNA myself, via JRiver and the microRendu, so I should have known better!

As to the 'more brain power' that Devialet refer to, this could of course mean many things.  As an example I am sure that a few folk would like the addition of room correction, but who knows what Devialet might have in mind.

As for your thought that a $1800 product should have decent capability and sound quality, I think you might have a point.  Time will tell, but I am actually quite optimistic that the sound quality will be excellent.  There are a few reasons for this.  One thing I know is that a large proportion of the cost of many hifi components is actually taken by the design and production of the case.  In the case of the Devialet streamer, this cost is zero, so the entire cost should refer to R&D and the actual electronics.  (assuming the figure was not simply made up by the marketing team).  The other reason I am optimistic relate to past conversations that I have has with Devialet's chief design engineer Mathieu Pernod.  I think I have met him three times now, and on each occasion it has been clear to me that his primary interest is sound quality.  Oddly enough, he has never appeared that keen on things like Roon & MQA, that is locking Devialet into anything that requires licensing, subscriptions from customers and similar.  But he does appear to be very driven with respect to things that matter to sound quality.  We will find out in due course, but there is reason to be optimistic I think. Shy   (Unless your primary interest is Roon & MQA) Angry

Glad to know that Mr. Mathieu Pernod is most concerned in SQ. More functions are bonus but SQ is the king IMHO.
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#13
What would be the point of fantastic SQ though, if there were no connectivity feature anyone wanted to use? Smile

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#14
(22-Jan-2017, 16:45)Confused Wrote: . .. (assuming the figure was not simply made up by the marketing team). 

Well, I think we can all relax safe in the knowledge that Devialet aren't the sort of company that would have their marketing team make something up.... Big Grin

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#15
Really for the money being asked it has to do a song and dance and wake me with fresh coffee and a just warmed croissant. If it's just UPnP/DNLA ad some faffing around at the fourth or fifth decimal place of THD and SNR then a $35 Raspberry Pi running as a Roon endpoint and Volumio discreetly tucked away will do me just fine.

If on the other hand it integrates with Phantom to offer surround sound then... perhaps

But I still expect it to wake me with fresh coffee and a freshly warmed croissant
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#16
(22-Jan-2017, 21:47)Bownose Wrote: If on the other hand it integrates with Phantom to offer surround sound then... perhaps

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#17
I am presently not using Roon and/or MQA. Heard some MQA on the last High End but was not convinced of the sound superiority of MQA but one reads a lot of positive comments in the audiophile press (and a lot of negative ones on CA). If MQA leads to a better recording/mastering process it could be something I will be interested in. I would be quite disappointed if the new streamer board can not decode and unfold MQA files in the future at least to 24/96 if MQA really takes off. Of course if MQA stays a marginal file format I will not care.
So I understand that Devialet is not presently embracing MQA but not allowing a future implementation MQA decoding via the streamer board could make this quite obsolete.
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#18
Not hearing any obvious and/or life changing improvements in any MQA albums I'm trying on the Explorer2, through headphones.

It just occurred to me that despite it being called the 'streamer board' it would most likely host any potential room correction. I wonder if many votes would change if that were an option?

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‘Normal’ cables. *eBay LPS on the Allo, no discernible SQ change over Pi supply.
- London, UK -
>>> Devialet ‘EPO’ System - Expert Planned Obsolescence! <<<

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#19
(22-Jan-2017, 17:20)G51 Wrote:
(22-Jan-2017, 16:45)Confused Wrote:
(22-Jan-2017, 14:12)mdconnelly Wrote: The Devialet site describes this new board in a more expansive manner than just as a streaming board... Here's what it says...

Thanks to its unique architecture, your new Expert Pro will be able to support Devialet OS in 2017 via the integration of a new electronic card.

This dedicated card will add more brain power to your Expert Pro and enable new features, such as UPnP/DLNA. It will be offered to you for free as soon as it is available, for all Upgrades before 31st December 2016 (value of $1,800).


Admittedly, this is mostly marketing speak, but I can't imagine UPnP/DLNA will be it's primary purpose, much less the primary feature customers want.  Has anyone seen a more indepth description?

I voted for Roon RAAT but in truth, I'd like to think that an $1800 board is being designed to provide far more capability and/or better sound quality integral to the future of the Expert Pro.

Your post made me realise that I'd missed DLNA from the options list!  Oh well, I guess this is not the end of the world because as you mention UPnP/DLNA are protocols that Devialet have already advised are supported.

I would suggest that my UPnP option is simply extended to be UPnP/DLNA.  Ironically sometimes I use DLNA myself, via JRiver and the microRendu, so I should have known better!

As to the 'more brain power' that Devialet refer to, this could of course mean many things.  As an example I am sure that a few folk would like the addition of room correction, but who knows what Devialet might have in mind.

As for your thought that a $1800 product should have decent capability and sound quality, I think you might have a point.  Time will tell, but I am actually quite optimistic that the sound quality will be excellent.  There are a few reasons for this.  One thing I know is that a large proportion of the cost of many hifi components is actually taken by the design and production of the case.  In the case of the Devialet streamer, this cost is zero, so the entire cost should refer to R&D and the actual electronics.  (assuming the figure was not simply made up by the marketing team).  The other reason I am optimistic relate to past conversations that I have has with Devialet's chief design engineer Mathieu Pernod.  I think I have met him three times now, and on each occasion it has been clear to me that his primary interest is sound quality.  Oddly enough, he has never appeared that keen on things like Roon & MQA, that is locking Devialet into anything that requires licensing, subscriptions from customers and similar.  But he does appear to be very driven with respect to things that matter to sound quality.  We will find out in due course, but there is reason to be optimistic I think. Shy   (Unless your primary interest is Roon & MQA) Angry

Glad to know that Mr. Mathieu Pernod is most concerned in SQ. More functions are bonus but SQ is the king IMHO.

Erm... I hate to disappoint folks!

Mathieu Pernod told me in no uncertain terms that there was NO WAY a fancy streamer could make any difference to the SQ of the Devialet. Admittedly this was a couple of years ago but it is clear that he doesn't believe that reclocking etc will have any effect. After all he has been quite happy conducting demos using a MacBook connected via USB. 

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#20
I am sure Monsieur Pernod is right! We are all fools investing in streamer hardware and reclockers. Damm! I must hurry up and cancel my Mutec order. I wonder if Sonore will take my microRendu back... I also wonder if Earth is flat after all...
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