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(07-Dec-2017, 22:47)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]First a polite request.  @patcam and @midi we do have a 'Problems with Core Infinity' thread.  Anyone in the future who has a similar issue to yourself will probably look there in hope of finding a solution.  Why not post there?  Plus, when you do get the new board up and running please come back and tell us your listening impressions here.   Shy

@Wdw - I have to say that I was fascinated by your post, and @Mr_Bill's subsequent question 'If you are listening via AES input - how would the installation of the CI board affect that? Is it the software change?'  First to say, maybe it is indeed the software change.  We have not had a firmware update for a while, maybe Devialet have tweaked something in the firmware that is yielding good results with the Pro.  Based on past firmware changes, this is entirely possible.  Another thought is maybe it is hardware related?  Personally I think this is highly unlikely, in that I would expect the AES/EBU input to work as it should even with the Core Infinity board removed.  @ogs has speculated (and he made it clear in his post that he was just speculating) that maybe the alleged 'Super Clock' on the CI board might be somehow re-routed to provide it's goodness elsewhere within the Devialet.  Maybe it is, but I suspect this is unlikely.  Indeed, if the CI board clock was acting as a 'reclocker' for the AES/EBU input, which is a synchronous input, then it could actually limit performance with the very best sources.  Consider that AES/EBU is an AES3 synchronous protocol input, it is therefore extracting the clock signal from whatever is feeding it.  This is why devices like the Mutec MC3 can offer improvements.  So if you have someone using an absolute top end reclocker, say a Mutec REF10 with MC3+USB and then is the CI board was subsequently reclocking, it would only make things worse.  With the best will in the world, the CI clock is unlikely to be as good as a £3K Mutec clock.  Another possibility is that it could be good old fashioned expectation bias, quite possible, it can be a very powerful beast, but based on the clarity of Wdw's words, I would tend to think not in this case.  Could it be anything else?  I do have a final theory here, there was some past speculation that worried that adding a powerful, possibly noisy, computer board into our terribly delicate and sensitive Devialets could cause some issues with electrical noise creeping in where it should not.  Lets assume this is indeed the case, users then report SQ improvements, maybe this is because the supposedly negative impact of the CI board actually produces euphonic results.  Again, highly unlikely I think, it's just the last possible thing that I can think of!

Much waffle from me, but this really makes me wish that we had a little more technical information from Devialet with respect to exactly what the CI board does.  How it otherwise integrates with the rest of the amp, implications for the new USB input, implications for the other inputs, implications of recent firmware / software implementation, I could go on.  To be honest, we have never needed one of Devialet's nice white papers more than we do now.

I'm certainly no expert in technical matters, but the first thing I noticed when I got my 250 back was the new copper casing. I seem to recall that somewhere in the depths of Devialetchat there was an opinion that the quality of the casing is significant (and the main difference between the 220 and the 250?).

So I wonder if there is something to do with power/processing/heat dissipation that is affecting SQ?

Incidentally, vinyl sounds great, though I'm not sure the improvement is as great as the digital sources; a nod to @SwissBear at this point for commenting that it's hard to do comparisons over a period of time. However, the vocal (upper midrange) does seem to be a lot more dynamic/foward/better presented.

Anyway, absolutely agree about the white paper - would love to know what's improved since the time I just had a humble D-Premier!
@sam1000 That will be an interesting read!! I did the same comparison as you, but with a mR 1.4/Mutec vs Roon/AIR. Ended up keeping the mR/Mutec. If there is an improvement on Roon/AIR with the CI I'll be tempted to switch!
Since I am unable to do level balanced back to back comparisons with my no longer existing O d'A and my Core updated one I am hesitant to be confident about any tonal balance differences but I have listened extensively to CD (Goldmund Mimesis 36+ into AES/EBU) input, which I considered the best sound previously and it certainly isn't worse. I am listening now to check if the stereo imaging has any of the variations I experienced wit early versions of the firmware on dual mono D-Premiers and would say it is as good as I have ever had.
I have only played 1 LP (Ortofon A90 via Ortofon T3000 SUT into high impedance input) and I wasn't blown away. Will try some others and maybe without the SUT.
Roon via AIR works reliably and sounds great.
I haven't used USB before but have a long enough cable to try so will compare with Roon/AIR in due course and report back.
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I have been listening couple of days with my upgraded Devialet 1000 Pro. It's very hard for me to say whether it sounds better or just different. Anyway, it sounds amazing and I'm very happy with the sound quality.

I think by far the best news is that the Roon/AIR streaming works really well. I can't believe even saying this aloud, but it just works now Smile I have been using only the Wifi connection so far and it has worked almost perfectly well. I haven't noticed any crackles, stuttering, dropouts, or white noise. The only issue with Wifi has been that it's not possible to get lossless streaming with 24/192 kHz. I'm sure this will get fixed at some point and I have already created a support ticket about this issue.
has someone already checked the amp temperature after extensive listening ? Has it changed ?
My wife thinks it sounds better -- more crisp and lifelike -- than it did before. Again I'm not sure how accurate these judgements can be given the listening hiatus, but she is perfectly happy to say things sound worse or that there is no change when they sound worse or there is no change.

On temperature, it feels hotter to me than it did before. But I didn't check this carefully.
Hello all, I received my 220 Pro back last Friday after a two week turnaround and spent quite some time listening over the weekend.
That in iteself proved not so easy, in my set-up Roon Air works over ethernet but not reliably so. It refuses to play more than one or a few tracks in a row from a playlist, it just stops. Manually restarting the track works though. Also had to unplug the Dev a few times to get rid of the 'device in use' message.
I hope updates in firm- and software will come and solve this over time.

My observations on SQ, very subjective of course but confirmed with a friend:
But all that is forgiven (for now at least) because of the jump in sound quality. Much more detail in the midrange, which give a lot more subtlety to instruments and voices, in line with earlier posts in this thread. Listening to e.g. Neils Lofgren's Acoustic Live it is now much more aparent how he extracts different sounds from the guitar with each and every note. A lot more information is extracted form instruments and voices.
On soundstage the impression is that you are listening a few rows closer towards the stage now.

I was listening with a friend and we noticed that over an hour or so the perceived SQ got even better over that hour. Going back to the first track we plaeyed confirmed that. Now that may be warming up the equipment or burning in of the CI board, I don't know. It had been playing for about 10 hour in total by then and was up and running for about an hour before this happened.
I am curious as to when I start listening again whether it was the warming up or burning in, but unfortunately serious listening will have to wait a few weeks as I will be not at home most of the time.

rdok
@rdok thanks for writing your impressions. Your sound quality observations are similar to many others, but also the firmware problems! The CI seems to give a definitive improvement in sound. Let's hope Devialet fixes the bugs in firmware quickly.. Did you try SPDIF or was this purely AIR?
(11-Dec-2017, 09:24)ogs Wrote: [ -> ]@rdok thanks for writing your impressions. Your sound quality observations are similar to many others, but also the firmware problems! The CI seems to give a definitive improvement in sound. Let's hope Devialet fixes the bugs in firmware quickly.. Did you try SPDIF or was this purely AIR?

This was purely Roon Air over ethernet. Haven't tried SPDIF or anything else yet - couldn't resist the temptation to keep on listening Blush
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