Now it´s working, but just after to disable AIR (Devialet Ethernet).
I noticed a difference in SQ between the two (AIR and Roo Ready), a bit more sharp in Roon Air.
Is it possible, or came from my head and i need a doctor?
(14-Feb-2019, 15:57)BoyScout Wrote: [ -> ]Now it´s working, but just after to disable AIR (Devialet Ethernet).
I noticed a difference in SQ between the two (AIR and Roo Ready), a bit more sharp in Roon Air.
Is it possible, or came from my head and i need a doctor?
I am hearing exactly the same. I think I might prefer AIR!
(14-Feb-2019, 16:00)douglas Wrote: [ -> ] (14-Feb-2019, 15:57)BoyScout Wrote: [ -> ]Now it´s working, but just after to disable AIR (Devialet Ethernet).
I noticed a difference in SQ between the two (AIR and Roo Ready), a bit more sharp in Roon Air.
Is it possible, or came from my head and i need a doctor?
I am hearing exactly the same. I think I might prefer AIR!
Thanks God, i´m not the only one and i´m not crazy...
(14-Feb-2019, 16:07)BoyScout Wrote: [ -> ] (14-Feb-2019, 16:00)douglas Wrote: [ -> ] (14-Feb-2019, 15:57)BoyScout Wrote: [ -> ]Now it´s working, but just after to disable AIR (Devialet Ethernet).
I noticed a difference in SQ between the two (AIR and Roo Ready), a bit more sharp in Roon Air.
Is it possible, or came from my head and i need a doctor?
I am hearing exactly the same. I think I might prefer AIR!
Thanks God, i´m not the only one and i´m not crazy...
There's a lot more detail. I am hearing way deeper in the mix. The jury is still out as to which is best
(14-Feb-2019, 15:57)BoyScout Wrote: [ -> ]Now it´s working, but just after to disable AIR (Devialet Ethernet).
I noticed a difference in SQ between the two (AIR and Roo Ready), a bit more sharp in Roon Air.
Is it possible, or came from my head and i need a doctor?
Do you have someone you can get to help you blind test? If you can reliably tell one from the other blind then there’s a difference. If not, it’s in your mind (but you don’t need a doctor, it’s being human!...)
(14-Feb-2019, 15:57)BoyScout Wrote: [ -> ]Now it´s working, but just after to disable AIR (Devialet Ethernet).
I noticed a difference in SQ between the two (AIR and Roo Ready), a bit more sharp in Roon Air.
Is it possible, or came from my head and i need a doctor?
You're hearing a difference. Those of us who are saying that RAAT sounds better than AIR are hearing a difference. We are in agreement on that point.
When there are differences, there are preferences. Preferences aren't right or wrong, they're simply a result of the fact that different people like different things. When there is a difference in the sound—and you're reporting that you do hear a difference in the sound—some people will prefer one over the other, just as some people prefer tea over coffee and others prefer coffee over tea. The right thing to do is to choose the one you like most. We're listening for pleasure so choose the one which gives you most pleasure. That's the one which is better for you.
Anyone who assumes that we're all going to come to the same conclusion that RAAT is better than AIR or that AIR is better than RAAT is obviously ignoring the overwhelming amount of indisputable evidence available here and elsewhere on the internet and in audio magazines that when people hear audible differences they don't all agree on which is best and that different people do have different preferences.
Everything happening here is normal. A lot of people report hearing a difference but we've had at least one person report they don't hear a difference. Amongst the people hearing a difference a lot of people prefer RAAT and now we have a couple of people preferring AIR. That's the kind of thing that happens every time a new firmware release comes out. It's not surprising that not everyone agrees. The only surprise here is that you're asking whether there's something wrong with you because you don't agree with all of the earlier statements that RAAT is better. There were always going to be people who disagree about the audible benefits of this update and that's nothing to worry about.
You're wasting time worrying. Spend it listening to music via AIR. I prefer RAAT and I see nothing wrong with you preferring AIR. It's no different to me preferring coffee and quite a few of my friends preferring tea.
(14-Feb-2019, 19:06)David A Wrote: [ -> ] (14-Feb-2019, 15:57)BoyScout Wrote: [ -> ]Now it´s working, but just after to disable AIR (Devialet Ethernet).
I noticed a difference in SQ between the two (AIR and Roo Ready), a bit more sharp in Roon Air.
Is it possible, or came from my head and i need a doctor?
You're hearing a difference. Those of us who are saying that RAAT sounds better than AIR are hearing a difference. We are in agreement on that point.
When there are differences, there are preferences. Preferences aren't right or wrong, they're simply a result of the fact that different people like different things. When there is a difference in the sound—and you're reporting that you do hear a difference in the sound—some people will prefer one over the other, just as some people prefer tea over coffee and others prefer coffee over tea. The right thing to do is to choose the one you like most. We're listening for pleasure so choose the one which gives you most pleasure. That's the one which is better for you.
Anyone who assumes that we're all going to come to the same conclusion that RAAT is better than AIR or that AIR is better than RAAT is obviously ignoring the overwhelming amount of indisputable evidence available here and elsewhere on the internet and in audio magazines that when people hear audible differences they don't all agree on which is best and that different people do have different preferences.
Everything happening here is normal. A lot of people report hearing a difference but we've had at least one person report they don't hear a difference. Amongst the people hearing a difference a lot of people prefer RAAT and now we have a couple of people preferring AIR. That's the kind of thing that happens every time a new firmware release comes out. It's not surprising that not everyone agrees. The only surprise here is that you're asking whether there's something wrong with you because you don't agree with all of the earlier statements that RAAT is better. There were always going to be people who disagree about the audible benefits of this update and that's nothing to worry about.
You're wasting time worrying. Spend it listening to music via AIR. I prefer RAAT and I see nothing wrong with you preferring AIR. It's no different to me preferring coffee and quite a few of my friends preferring tea.
Well put. I’m liking AIR for my system, unfortunately still WiFi on both ends, and have had two dropouts in about four hours of listening requiring a reset of the 5ghz radio to restore connection via AIR. Actually getting a stronger signal (closer to -60dBm). Will be receiving all parts to build NUC running ROCK today, hoping that getting one side wired will yield improvements.
So here's the question.... did the sound of all inputs change/improve with the release of the new firmware/DOS? I do believe I hear a slight difference between AIR and RAAT, but I also think AIR sounds better/different as well... a bit more open, better defined? To be honest, I haven't a clue what the difference is, if I really hear a difference, or if both have changed. I don't really feel like trying to compare before/after the new firmware/DOS. But it all sounds amazingly good so I'm not sure it matters.
(14-Feb-2019, 19:06)David A Wrote: [ -> ] (14-Feb-2019, 15:57)BoyScout Wrote: [ -> ]Now it´s working, but just after to disable AIR (Devialet Ethernet).
I noticed a difference in SQ between the two (AIR and Roo Ready), a bit more sharp in Roon Air.
Is it possible, or came from my head and i need a doctor?
You're hearing a difference. Those of us who are saying that RAAT sounds better than AIR are hearing a difference. We are in agreement on that point.
When there are differences, there are preferences. Preferences aren't right or wrong, they're simply a result of the fact that different people like different things. When there is a difference in the sound—and you're reporting that you do hear a difference in the sound—some people will prefer one over the other, just as some people prefer tea over coffee and others prefer coffee over tea. The right thing to do is to choose the one you like most. We're listening for pleasure so choose the one which gives you most pleasure. That's the one which is better for you.
Anyone who assumes that we're all going to come to the same conclusion that RAAT is better than AIR or that AIR is better than RAAT is obviously ignoring the overwhelming amount of indisputable evidence available here and elsewhere on the internet and in audio magazines that when people hear audible differences they don't all agree on which is best and that different people do have different preferences.
Everything happening here is normal. A lot of people report hearing a difference but we've had at least one person report they don't hear a difference. Amongst the people hearing a difference a lot of people prefer RAAT and now we have a couple of people preferring AIR. That's the kind of thing that happens every time a new firmware release comes out. It's not surprising that not everyone agrees. The only surprise here is that you're asking whether there's something wrong with you because you don't agree with all of the earlier statements that RAAT is better. There were always going to be people who disagree about the audible benefits of this update and that's nothing to worry about.
You're wasting time worrying. Spend it listening to music via AIR. I prefer RAAT and I see nothing wrong with you preferring AIR. It's no different to me preferring coffee and quite a few of my friends preferring tea.
I´m not worried at all, just adding some humor, to give some color to this, sometimes, gray forum.
I also think that the very characteristics of the equipment can have an influence on the enjoyment, it is not just a matter of taste: good sound is good sound anywhere, period. The idea was to realize if it´s only in my equipment that RAAT sounded worse than AIR and that would mean something wrong, as simple as that. That's what the forums are for, too.
(14-Feb-2019, 23:23)mdconnelly Wrote: [ -> ]So here's the question.... did the sound of all inputs change/improve with the release of the new firmware/DOS? I do believe I hear a slight difference between AIR and RAAT, but I also think AIR sounds better/different as well... a bit more open, better defined? To be honest, I haven't a clue what the difference is, if I really hear a difference, or if both have changed. I don't really feel like trying to compare before/after the new firmware/DOS. But it all sounds amazingly good so I'm not sure it matters.
I d on't know about all inputs, I only use ethernet. When I did the update I enabled RAAT in Roon and started listening to it. I didn't do an A?B comparison of RAAT vs AIR but I liked the sound more with RAAT and the new firmware than I did with Roon AIR and the previous software. I've since done an A/B comparison between RAAT and Roon AIR with the new software and I hear a difference. Both sound good but I prefer RAAT. I think Roon AIR sounds better with the new firmware than it did with the previous firmware so I think whatever changes there are in the new firmware include something that improves ethernet handling. It can't improve the actual input because that's a physical device which hasn't changed but the handling of the signal that is received from that input can be changed in firmware and I think it has been changed.
RAAT is a network thing so it makes sense that there could also be changes for the wifi input handling.
As for the other inputs, if there were some changes made to the DAC/ADH software in the update then you would notice differences with the other inputs as well. There was a change in the power area (lower power use in standby mode) and that may have changed something in the power handling which benefits all inputs. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that something in this update has an effect on all inputs.
Thinking about what I heard when I did the brief RAAT/Roon AIR comparison with the new firmware a lot of the difference which stood out was at the top end, AIR sounded brighter and less sweet to me while RAAT sounded warmer/sweeter. Which one you prefer if the difference you hear is in the top end may very well depend on your speaker's top end response.
I've been in listening comparisons in the past with other people in my audio club where we've all heard a difference and some have said the top end was boosted and others have said the bass was reduced. Different people can hear the same change and perceive it in very different ways, and that's without even touching on which one they prefer. Agreeing that there's a difference can be the easy thing (it isn't always easy) but agreeing on what the difference is and on which is better are two very different things. Two people can both agree the top end is boosted in one of the things being compared but disagree about which is best while another 2 people can agree that the bass is cut in the same thing where the first 2 are hearing a boost in the highs and those 2 can also disagree about which is best. The same difference can be described in different ways and you can satisfy yourself that everyone is hearing the same thing, they're just describing it in different ways, but if you have a difference and both ways sound good you can bet on finding some people who like it one way and some who like it the other. It's only easy to get agreement on which sounds best when one way sounds bad to everyone because it has high distortion or some other characteristic that nobody likes and the other sounds good to everyone because it doesn't have the same characteristic.