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[gtiboy]

Gurux,

I don't know your entire history with the D or your experiences contacting Devialet. But you seem to be unhappy that your older product doesn't have every possible function (UPnP, room correction, infrared), that it is isn't still superior to their latest, or later products, and that some upgrades are optional instead of automatic and free. You also criticize them for SAM, which you find useless, but the vast majority of posts here are very complimentary. Every review I've read is the same. Devialet doesn't do room correction: true enough, but other software does. That is not a flaw in the Devialet product line. It is a decision they made. They prioritized, as you advised.

We all buy products when they offer us a combination of performance and price, and whatever else we want. Yes, Devialet has included some element of upgradability in its promotion, but that does not mean every piece of hardware will be capable of every future improvement.

You don't expect you car to be upgradeable just because a new model comes out, or that the computer purchased in 2014 will be the same or as good as the next model six months later. Devialet cannot be any different. That there have been software improvements available seems to me still to put Devialet ahead of every other audio company, at least for their current / recent products. I can't see how they can be faulted for making the D120 as good and capable as it can be.

I don't think the comparisons to Naim are correct; their upgrades are not automatic or cheap. Upgrading my UQ1 to a UQ2 will be close to $500.00. As you will undoubtedly know, Naim owners all screamed for Spotify. Then when it became available there was widespread complaining about the SQ. The SU has been replaced by the newer SU2, with no upgrade path available. That's the way most hardware works. And not everybody here has been clamouring for UPnP. And if there is one consistent area of complaints on the Naim forum, it is UPnP connectivity, and the function of the app. Long, loud, angry and persistent posts. I know, as I'm one of the complainers there.

I'm not diminishing your experience with Devialet's customer support or service. They may not be very good at it. I also don't know what you read or were told before you made your purchase. But just because they are not doing what you want, or continuing to upgrade your particular product does not mean that they are not innovating or making legitimate design or business decisions.

I am not talking hardware. I am just referring to the little computer inside my Devialet and how it has been put to use.

We were told that the best wire is no wire so that concept screwed the D Premier big time with the well known wifi issues. We were told that Air is the best streaming solution on Planet Earth bar none, however plenty of you came to realise that a ...(you can fill in the details with whatever decent external UPnP solution you want) can sound as good, if not better.

To this day some users still have issues with Air. My personal experience with JR and Air on a Mac was one of the most frustrating in my whole audio history.

As I said above a system lives or dies by its performance and convenience. I had a Naim system myself at some point. And not a UQ but the Reference 500 series, with a NDS DR as source, on a Fraim. I gave up that system not because it didn't offer excellent performance but because it was taking too much of my living space and time to setup, maintain etc. I wanted a one box solution, not unlike the SU, but with a significantly better SQ. And I was hoping that my Devialet would fit the bill.

I was determined to invest time and effort in making Air work. But in the end I gave up and went back to UPnP.

I tried to communicate with Devialet several times but nothing good came out of that. Polite but ultimately useless answers.

I agree that my needs are not universal and I'm sure plenty of you are happy with the Air approach. But Devialet are now offering this missing functionality in a lesser, cheaper mass product. They told me privately that Air was the only way to go and they were not even considering implementing UPnP, then released the super duper system that is meant to replace everything audio in the known universe with the exact functionality I had requested for years.

How would you feel if UQ had all the bells and whistles - UPnP, Internet radio etc but the NDS only came with Air because it "sounded best"?.

I agree with everything you say Gurux. I too have sold my high end Naim system, looking at getting a SuperUniti instead due to the fact there isn't a proper streaming solution with the Devialet. All these external streamers are a compromise and makes the box count two plus more interconnects. The whole concept of Devialet was a one box device. So the merry go round starts again.

When you see how well Naim have implemented the streaming side of things, uPnP, iRadio, The fact you have a USB port to insert USB sticks to play FLAC or WAV files. It's very convenient. But they don't do a single box solution that sounds as good as the Devialet does.

It's a shame Devialet haven't built their Devialet 120/200/250 with a built in streamer much like Naim's.

The trouble with buying into Devialet right now is that it's a young company that's still developing their products so in a way it was expected with what happened when they brought out cheaper amps over the 250. I feel they are using you guys as guinea pigs to learn how to develop their product base and tailor it to what the customers needs.

Anyone buying into Devialet now has to expect this over the next few years. It's one of the reasons I haven't bought a D200 yet, it could get superseded or they could end up bringing out hardware updates for it, much like the D-Premier did where you have to pay for the change.