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Phantom Home Cinema draft copy 2.pdf (Size: 1,002.13 KB / Downloads: 153,342)
Devialet has a working draft for a 5.1 Phantom system using several outboard devices. The entire draft document is 14 pages. Too large for an attachment here.... I have attached the System Block diagram for the DIY crowd. Devialet tech support can provide you the entire document. They also have a specialist group that can help you install and set up a Phantom Home Cinema system.
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Thanks for the info! If this is what Devialet calls surround for Phantom it's ridiculous. This is a suboptimal patchwork and an after thought, not anything Devialet can be proud of.
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It is Kluge-ware....... a bench set up likely leading to a "Supercharged" dialog. The full document shows how they will do the .1 LFE function distributed across all 5 Phantoms. At least they now have an existence proof for 5.1 (to 11.2) evolution that is not pure Vapour-ware.
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It's good they have a proof of concept, I hope they don't market it as anything else. I wonder when they will release the supercharged Dialog.
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The Xilica Uno 1616 costs about $2800. I think I'll wait for the new Dialog
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Just hypothesizing here....
Given that the Phantoms have no analog input and the Xilica only has either analog or "Ethernet" (not actually ethernet) outputs, this implies they will be connected via a network switch to the Xilica.
This also implies that the Phantoms / Dialog will be upgraded to process the Dante network audio protocol which is transmitted over a lan network.
Does this make sense?? Haven't seen/used network audio before.
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(15-Jun-2016, 16:44)ondastar Wrote: Devialet has a working draft for a 5.1 Phantom system using several outboard devices. The entire draft document is 14 pages. Too large for an attachment here.... I have attached the System Block diagram for the DIY crowd. Devialet tech support can provide you the entire document. They also have a specialist group that can help you install and set up a Phantom Home Cinema system.
This looks more complicated and worse than my original idea to use 2 dialogs, 5 phantoms and set up 3 different zones to play 5 channel surround from a dedicated surround receiver.
By taking the 2 channel digital out from the tv as described in the drawing, you won't be able to get 5 channel sound from all the equipment connected via HDMI to the TV, right?
By using a surround receiver to connect all your HDMI inputs and using analog outputs that you convert to digital signal you would have way more components, but at least you would get 5 channel sound from all your devices.
I am very curious to see what they come up with here. The selling point of a phantom system is how easy they are to implement and use, and that would fade away pretty quick with a solution like this.
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Here is a thread in Norwegian about a guy that has tapped the s/pdif 5:1 signal from an AV receiver. Another proof of concept that would be excellent in use with your solution 
http://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/diy-...essor.html
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20-Jun-2016, 13:54
(This post was last modified: 20-Jun-2016, 14:14 by road rebel.)
There are multiple exemples of devices (oppo bdp, octava Switch, meridian processor) that have been able to output multichannel signals over 3 or more spdifs. (Native or tweaked)
However you end up with using phantoms as classic digital speakers with DSP without the network capabilities! And that is where de UNO comes in. It could be way too complex for the typical phantom customer but it's a brilliant idea if Devialet is able to make a Xilica UNO light WITH hdmi.
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07-Jul-2016, 15:51
(This post was last modified: 07-Jul-2016, 15:51 by road rebel.)
Using an Oppo+ vanity mod board is a good start. However this solution is not one you could sell as is to Devialet customers.
The problem of multiple spdifs is not new, the way it was solved almost 10years ago: http://www.switch-box.com/S_PDIF_install...-11SA.html. You can also tap the i2S lines and clock on an Octava 4x2 7.1 matrix to achieve an equivalent result.
With a miniDSP nanoAVR you have a cheap alternative to remap the LFE and then you don't need the sillica Uno.
However what we need is a good multichannel/multizone streaming protocol. Or does it exists already? ;-)
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