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How to use Phantom Gold as front speakers in 11.2 home theater set up
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Hello! I am from Thailand.  I have 3 Gold Phantoms, 2 Dialog boxes and 5 Reactors 600.  No dealers in Thailand seem to know how to set up the speakers except in streaming mode.  Can any one please advise me how to connect the 2 Gold Phantoms as front speakers in a surround set up?  My receiver has separate RCA outputs for each channel.

Questions for Phantom Gold:-

1.  Can I connect front right and left RCA outputs of the receiver to an Analog to Digital converter with one Toslink output, and then connect to the Dialog optical input and have it stream left and right channel sound to the Phantoms?  (The left and right channel sound have gone through the receiver's surround decoder with low frequency cut off set at 80Hz.)

2.  Or can I use 2 ADC's to convert the receiver's L and R channel separately, and connect the Toslink cables to each Phantom without using the Dialog at all? 

2.  If I can connect either way, will the sound level be matched to the rest of the system speakers?  ( I have 2 subs and 9 surround speakers and can set each speaker's level through white noise or Audyssey automatic set up.  Do I need line level amplification before connection to the ADC?

Questions for Reactor:-

1. Can I use RCA to 3.5mm cables to connect the receiver's RCA outputs directly to the Reactors as front left and right and center channel?  Again, will the sound level be matched with the rest of the surround system?


Finally, thank in advance for anyone who can advise me on this connection issue.  I love the sound of Devialet, but the set up to normal home theater system seems very confusing to an average user like me.

Best regards,
Chai
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#2
You're in for a tough time. When I last tried to use my White Phantom as a center speaker, using an ADC-Optical converter on the Center Channel Output, my Denon 3800 receiver couldn't cope with the extreme latency/delay it introduced.

You should at least try feeding just one Phantom with the TV/Receiver sound in the simplest way possible, to verify that you don't perceive any lip sync issues, before you go down the multi-channel route.

I think the only successful deployments of Phantoms as surround sound are with HTPC setups (where delays are much more controllable), or highly specialised processor boards that can output digital signals for each channel.
JRiver v24 (Windows) >> 220Pro/CI >> Tellurium-Q Black >> PMC Twenty5.23 + two REL T7i. One White Phantom.
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@chaiwongwaiwit  Welcome to the forum...  

Unfortunately, it is not easy to use the Phantoms for home theatre because there is latency (delay) in each of the units.  It is much harder when you mix Premier and Reactor units.  @njaiswal has done this in this thread using Dante technology and other hardware.
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(10-Sep-2019, 23:34)Snoopy8 Wrote: @chaiwongwaiwit  Welcome to the forum...  

Unfortunately, it is not easy to use the Phantoms for home theatre because there is latency (delay) in each of the units.  It is much harder when you mix Premier and Reactor units.  @njaiswal has done this in this thread using Dante technology and other hardware.

Thanks to both of you for the advice.

I used to play with home theater 20 years ago and have not kept up with the latest technology, so all this is very new to me.  Actually I currently have a new and good home theater set up with passive speakers and a high end receiver, and use the Gold Phantoms only for music listening.   I  now want to set up home theater at another place and want to use the Devialet speakers for front left right and center.

I contacted the Devialet help center and got a quick reply from Manson.  He suggested I use the Dante set up but I am still a little confused and don't know where to get the accessories in Thailand.  However looking through the manual to set up optical input, it says the Phantom will become stand alone speaker with no latency.  Also I believe my receiver has an option for lipsync correction.  I ordered some ADC units from Amazon which will arrive shortly.  I will try to tinker with how to set up the system and report back to this forum if there is an easier way to hook up the Phantoms or the Reactors.

By the way, my receiver has this auto EQ called Audyssey which I think provide delays for each speaker to compensate for distance.  Will this help in correcting the latency if there is any?

I welcome more suggestions and thanks to all.
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(11-Sep-2019, 08:01)chaiwongwaiwit Wrote:
(10-Sep-2019, 23:34)Snoopy8 Wrote: @chaiwongwaiwit  Welcome to the forum...  

Unfortunately, it is not easy to use the Phantoms for home theatre because there is latency (delay) in each of the units.  It is much harder when you mix Premier and Reactor units.  @njaiswal has done this in this thread using Dante technology and other hardware.

Thanks to both of you for the advice.

I used to play with home theater 20 years ago and have not kept up with the latest technology, so all this is very new to me.  Actually I currently have a new and good home theater set up with passive speakers and a high end receiver, and use the Gold Phantoms only for music listening.   I  now want to set up home theater at another place and want to use the Devialet speakers for front left right and center.

I contacted the Devialet help center and got a quick reply from Manson.  He suggested I use the Dante set up but I am still a little confused and don't know where to get the accessories in Thailand.  However looking through the manual to set up optical input, it says the Phantom will become stand alone speaker with no latency.  Also I believe my receiver has an option for lipsync correction.  I ordered some ADC units from Amazon which will arrive shortly.  I will try to tinker with how to set up the system and report back to this forum if there is an easier way to hook up the Phantoms or the Reactors.

By the way, my receiver has this auto EQ called Audyssey which I think provide delays for each speaker to compensate for distance.  Will this help in correcting the latency if there is any?

I welcome more suggestions and thanks to all.
I think Dante would be “the” answer but without a referral which may be valid for Thailand that may be an uphill battle.  That said, I agree that the direct mode may be a solid alternative.  I am curious to know the extent the phantoms specs are changed and if the A/V unit’s input would make the less than plugin play effort worth while.  Please keep us posted as things develop.

Regards,
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