(27-Jul-2016, 22:49)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (27-Jul-2016, 09:13)teddlesdee Wrote: [ -> ] (26-Jul-2016, 21:17)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting posts so far! If most of what has been said proves to be the case in my system, I think I'll very much like 10.0.2. However, I do have a policy of only changing one thing at a time, with a significant change I like to wait about a month before doing anything else. If you change two things, then notice something in casual listening, you might never know what exactly caused the change. Anyway, I added a Mutec to my system last week, so I will need to stick the inferior old firmware for a week or so yet. 
I was taken aback with the sound-stage thing....
It is surprising how our brains 'fill in the gaps' when observing or listening... you don't notice it happening...
Comparison is the only method that can show up what we perceive as deficiencies between systems or setups...
so.. Mr Confused... methinks you are in for a treat! 
Well my very new Mutec has definitely sharpened the stereo imagery / sound stage. So this is a good example of why it's best not to change two things at once. I can wait, you're not going to temp me......
I completely understand old chap!
Unfortunately, these days I don't have the deep pockets I used to have (mores the pity!), so since there is no 'cost' or 'loss' for me to try the new firmware, it was worth a go.....and the 'gain' to my ears turned out to be a very positive one!
(27-Jul-2016, 22:49)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (27-Jul-2016, 09:13)teddlesdee Wrote: [ -> ] (26-Jul-2016, 21:17)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting posts so far! If most of what has been said proves to be the case in my system, I think I'll very much like 10.0.2. However, I do have a policy of only changing one thing at a time, with a significant change I like to wait about a month before doing anything else. If you change two things, then notice something in casual listening, you might never know what exactly caused the change. Anyway, I added a Mutec to my system last week, so I will need to stick the inferior old firmware for a week or so yet.
I was taken aback with the sound-stage thing....
It is surprising how our brains 'fill in the gaps' when observing or listening... you don't notice it happening...
Comparison is the only method that can show up what we perceive as deficiencies between systems or setups...
so.. Mr Confused... methinks you are in for a treat!
Well my very new Mutec has definitely sharpened the stereo imagery / sound stage. So this is a good example of why it's best not to change two things at once. I can wait, you're not going to temp me......
Hi Confused,
i had the Mutec in my setup around one month back. After spending a few weeks tweaking the new setup with the new digital and appropriate isolation footers, the system sound quality has significant gains.
One week after, I updated the firmware 10.0.2. Another improvement is evident.
You should update when time permits
(27-Jul-2016, 10:32)windler Wrote: [ -> ] (25-Jul-2016, 12:13)KIBM Wrote: [ -> ]I simply did not get on with v9.0.1 - it sounded a bit lean in the bass through full range speakers and a bit forward and hifi sounding. It did not sound right in my system. I went back to v8.1.3 and immediately felt it was more natural with fuller bass textures and extension.
When v10.0.2 came out many people were saying it was just v9.01 with added tricks for the newer models. However rather than dismissing it without listening 
I thought I would try it at the weekend.
This is indeed different to v8.1.3. Soundstage more forward of the plane of the speakers - lots of air and sparkle but in no way aggressive or toppy (like 9.0.1). In fact I would go as far to say that this is the best yet in my system in that regard.
I think overall the bass is less extended than v8.1.3 however it has a bit more poise and grip - maybe v8.1.3 has less control? (this is minor and I suspect personal preference). I will need more listing but I'm pretty sure v10.0.2 holds a tune better - maybe more controlled bass. Kind of reminds me of the bad old days of my valve pre-power combos - balanced or unbalanced interconnects? The former gave bigger bass but could sound a bit diffuse, the latter had more control and rhythm but less extension - drove me nuts (thank you Devialet - 1 box and no wires!)
I've noted that some people are now having issues with ROON AIR3b. Me too. Plays no problem after start up but if I change source and come back to it later I can't get AIR and ROON to talk. Think I've found a cure (well, it has worked twice....) - start playing a track on ROON (no sound) then cycle through the sources on the Dev until you get back to WiFi input. The Dev then spends its usual 5-10 seconds locking on to signal and hey presto sound! Again, I've only done this twice and it worked both times.
Anyway, I like what I'm hearing with v10.0.2 and will persevere.
K
Follow your post I decided to upgrade to 10.0.2 .
From reading your post I understand that we had the same experience , As I am also back always to 8.1.3.
So I upgrade to 10.0.2 (30m ago) , One good thing is the low frequencies problem I had when I upgrade to 9.0.1 is disappear .
Initial listening to 10.0.2 is more "Audiophile" way ..it has more sparks on the highs ..and the lows are more controlled but more aggressive .
Somehow I love 8.1.3 in a way that on my system it sound more 'tube "like , definitely more "softer" then 10.0.2 . (Maybe 8.1.3 has less bass control but for me it has more spirit )
I am not sure that I will stay with 10.0.2 but surely I will give it a try .
I listened for hours to 10.0.2 , although there are goods in this firmware .. Eventually I back to "tube like" :-) 8.1.3.
Unfortunately for almost a year I had a filling that to me and with my current setup Devialet
New firmware become irrelevant.
(28-Jul-2016, 21:40)windler Wrote: [ -> ] (27-Jul-2016, 10:32)windler Wrote: [ -> ] (25-Jul-2016, 12:13)KIBM Wrote: [ -> ]I simply did not get on with v9.0.1 - it sounded a bit lean in the bass through full range speakers and a bit forward and hifi sounding. It did not sound right in my system. I went back to v8.1.3 and immediately felt it was more natural with fuller bass textures and extension.
When v10.0.2 came out many people were saying it was just v9.01 with added tricks for the newer models. However rather than dismissing it without listening I thought I would try it at the weekend.
This is indeed different to v8.1.3. Soundstage more forward of the plane of the speakers - lots of air and sparkle but in no way aggressive or toppy (like 9.0.1). In fact I would go as far to say that this is the best yet in my system in that regard.
I think overall the bass is less extended than v8.1.3 however it has a bit more poise and grip - maybe v8.1.3 has less control? (this is minor and I suspect personal preference). I will need more listing but I'm pretty sure v10.0.2 holds a tune better - maybe more controlled bass. Kind of reminds me of the bad old days of my valve pre-power combos - balanced or unbalanced interconnects? The former gave bigger bass but could sound a bit diffuse, the latter had more control and rhythm but less extension - drove me nuts (thank you Devialet - 1 box and no wires!)
I've noted that some people are now having issues with ROON AIR3b. Me too. Plays no problem after start up but if I change source and come back to it later I can't get AIR and ROON to talk. Think I've found a cure (well, it has worked twice....) - start playing a track on ROON (no sound) then cycle through the sources on the Dev until you get back to WiFi input. The Dev then spends its usual 5-10 seconds locking on to signal and hey presto sound! Again, I've only done this twice and it worked both times.
Anyway, I like what I'm hearing with v10.0.2 and will persevere.
K
Follow your post I decided to upgrade to 10.0.2 .
From reading your post I understand that we had the same experience , As I am also back always to 8.1.3.
So I upgrade to 10.0.2 (30m ago) , One good thing is the low frequencies problem I had when I upgrade to 9.0.1 is disappear .
Initial listening to 10.0.2 is more "Audiophile" way ..it has more sparks on the highs ..and the lows are more controlled but more aggressive .
Somehow I love 8.1.3 in a way that on my system it sound more 'tube "like , definitely more "softer" then 10.0.2 . (Maybe 8.1.3 has less bass control but for me it has more spirit )
I am not sure that I will stay with 10.0.2 but surely I will give it a try .
I listened for hours to 10.0.2 , although there are goods in this firmware .. Eventually I back to "tube like" :-) 8.1.3.
Unfortunately for almost a year I had a filling that to me and with my current setup Devialet
New firmware become irrelevant.
Changed my mind about 10.0.2. Too bright, far too bright, as though there is a patima of noise layered on top. Thought I had made a good copy of the last firmware but didn't. Am I wrong? Anyone have a link or...?
It depend on the firmware you need .. you can download older version from Devialet site .
I have all of rest incase you need one of the them .
(31-Jul-2016, 05:41)Wdw Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Jul-2016, 21:40)windler Wrote: [ -> ] (27-Jul-2016, 10:32)windler Wrote: [ -> ]Follow your post I decided to upgrade to 10.0.2 .
From reading your post I understand that we had the same experience , As I am also back always to 8.1.3.
So I upgrade to 10.0.2 (30m ago) , One good thing is the low frequencies problem I had when I upgrade to 9.0.1 is disappear .
Initial listening to 10.0.2 is more "Audiophile" way ..it has more sparks on the highs ..and the lows are more controlled but more aggressive .
Somehow I love 8.1.3 in a way that on my system it sound more 'tube "like , definitely more "softer" then 10.0.2 . (Maybe 8.1.3 has less bass control but for me it has more spirit )
I am not sure that I will stay with 10.0.2 but surely I will give it a try .
I listened for hours to 10.0.2 , although there are goods in this firmware .. Eventually I back to "tube like" :-) 8.1.3.
Unfortunately for almost a year I had a filling that to me and with my current setup Devialet
New firmware become irrelevant.
Changed my mind about 10.0.2. Too bright, far too bright, as though there is a patima of noise layered on top. Thought I had made a good copy of the last firmware but didn't. Am I wrong? Anyone have a link or...?
I agree with Your opinion and this is why I returned to 9.0.1. This firmware 10 is impressive during short demo...very much sounds, very transparent, very tight low tones...so for many persons during short listening in shop this will be wow effect. But after prolonged listening in Home there could be a disappointment.
(31-Jul-2016, 07:55)moreno1973 Wrote: [ -> ] (31-Jul-2016, 05:41)Wdw Wrote: [ -> ] (28-Jul-2016, 21:40)windler Wrote: [ -> ]I listened for hours to 10.0.2 , although there are goods in this firmware .. Eventually I back to "tube like" :-) 8.1.3.
Unfortunately for almost a year I had a filling that to me and with my current setup Devialet
New firmware become irrelevant.
Changed my mind about 10.0.2. Too bright, far too bright, as though there is a patima of noise layered on top. Thought I had made a good copy of the last firmware but didn't. Am I wrong? Anyone have a link or...?
I agree with Your opinion and this is why I returned to 9.0.1. This firmware 10 is impressive during short demo...very much sounds, very transparent, very tight low tones...so for many persons during short listening in shop this will be wow effect. But after prolonged listening in Home there could be a disappointment.
I can describe 10.0.2 in my system with one word--more. There is more detail, more clarity, more dynamics, more spatial definition, more sense of the recording venue.
While highs are clearer, I do not perceive an increase in high frequency energy, only greater clarity and contrast. For those who want to adjust frequency response, we have that ability, but I am content running flat.
This new firmware no longer remembers the DPM setting between power down/up's. It seems to default to what's set in the config.
Their QA really sucks, really how difficult can it be.
(01-Aug-2016, 16:09)Antoine Wrote: [ -> ]This new firmware no longer remembers the DPM setting between power down/up's. It seems to default to what's set in the config. Their QA really sucks, really how difficult can it be.
That might be an intentional feature, but it would be good to have the option in the configurator (similar to the configuration of default inputs including "last used"). At the least such changes should be documented.
"It's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature". I've heard that one before, many times actually from a company from Redmond USA. One can even buy, T-shirts, mugs etc. with that line.