(25-Sep-2016, 17:41)drdkey Wrote: [ -> ]This is exactly why I am leaving Devialet. I bought the original Premier and then upgraded to the D250! AIR has been an intermittently functioning headache!!!! To milk more money out of someone who was promised a lot with the last upgrade is ridiculous. I also agree with those recommending not upgrading any further unless there is an improvement in SQ. If I did the next upgrade I would have spent $25,000 for this all on one system. There are many great component setups for this price which will match and/or surpass the SQ for this price.
Of course the question to ask is whether you're going to get the same or better sound quality when you sell your Devialet and buy something else compared to doing the upgrade. And how much is selling/buying going to cost?
Feelings about Devialet aside, upgrading might just be the way to go if you can look at it objectively.
(03-Oct-2016, 21:56)MightyMart Wrote: [ -> ]Some interesting news from Gryphon was released yesterday:
http://www.gryphon-audio.dk/products/int...o-120.aspx
I wonder how much of this (More and more high end brands making full blown integrated amplifiers) is a direct result of Devialet's success. Certainly the world out there looks a lot more interesting nowadays.
Gryphon made the original Diablo in 2007 I think but at that time without dac and riaa so not really comparable to a Devialet.
The Diablo 300 is something really special, a friend of mine changed his D800 for the Diablo 300 and he thinks it is a better amp in his system.
The new Diablo 120 is going to cost around 9000€ but I dont know if that includes dac and riaa.
(25-Sep-2016, 20:38)Pim van Vliet Wrote: [ -> ]Feelings about Devialet aside, upgrading might just be the way to go if you can look at it objectively.
Hard to imagine I know, but even I've been doing that these past weeks.......
(04-Oct-2016, 05:11)octaviars Wrote: [ -> ]Gryphon made the original Diablo in 2007 I think but at that time without dac and riaa so not really comparable to a Devialet.
The Diablo 300 is something really special, a friend of mine changed his D800 for the Diablo 300 and he thinks it is a better amp in his system.
The new Diablo 120 is going to cost around 9000€ but I dont know if that includes dac and riaa.
The technical info on the Diablo 120 states that you can have one optional module, either a phono stage
or DAC. So it's not a one box solution.
(04-Oct-2016, 09:21)Hifi_swlon Wrote: [ -> ] (25-Sep-2016, 20:38)Pim van Vliet Wrote: [ -> ]Feelings about Devialet aside, upgrading might just be the way to go if you can look at it objectively.
Hard to imagine I know, but even I've been doing that these past weeks.......
I was going to say that with purchases at this price level you should always stay objective and not let your feelings get in the way. But then I remembered buying an O d'A unheard...
Listening to it now after a month away and no regrets what-so-ever
(04-Oct-2016, 10:39)Axel Wrote: [ -> ] (04-Oct-2016, 05:11)octaviars Wrote: [ -> ]Gryphon made the original Diablo in 2007 I think but at that time without dac and riaa so not really comparable to a Devialet.
The Diablo 300 is something really special, a friend of mine changed his D800 for the Diablo 300 and he thinks it is a better amp in his system.
The new Diablo 120 is going to cost around 9000€ but I dont know if that includes dac and riaa.
The technical info on the Diablo 120 states that you can have one optional module, either a phono stage or DAC. So it's not a one box solution.
You can have both the DAC and riaa at the same time just like the Diablo 300. The DAC is mounted in the hole at the backside and the riaa module is inside the amp and uses one rca input as phono connection. So it is a one box solution.
not cool... not cool.. i have a d200 and i, too, is thinking of leaving the camp.
this is how devialet marketing does their business. in our hobby, most of us tends to sell our stuff in the future to try another one.. the moment you bought a devialet, you just got yourself into a money pit. after 2 years, that is if you are lucky to use your amp for 2 years because some didn't, devialet will introduce an "upgrade program" and asks existing devialet owners whether they want to upgrade which costs 50% of what they initially paid for. funny right? would you pay for another 50% of your initial costs to get your old devialet refreshed to be on par with the current ones. well, why 50%? does the actual upgrade cost, material and labor-wise really cost that much? more on that later...
devialet wants to control the pre-owned market. so you bought a devialet and decided not to upgrade? you will be left in the dark, new firmwares may not support your obsolete set, no support, not cool, you are alone and devialet will not love you. this is when things are no longer into the audiophile's point of view. this will now be a capitalist's selfish interests.
now, why upgrade cost's 50%? why not 30%? or maybe 20% as a means of reward for a loyal customer? because the moment the upgrade program is launched, your devialet immediately lost it's value by more than 50% if you want to sell it.. no matter how old it is. that is the devaluation rate set by devialet. why? because the new current product will be priced close to how much you bought your obsolete set when it was still the current. so they want to make money on new sets sold, and the obsolete sets upgraded.. otherwise, do you want to sell your set at a giveaway price?
simply outrageous.
(11-Oct-2016, 05:09)noblewolf Wrote: [ -> ]not cool... not cool.. i have a d200 and i, too, is thinking of leaving the camp.
this is how devialet marketing does their business. in our hobby, most of us tends to sell our stuff in the future to try another one.. the moment you bought a devialet, you just got yourself into a money pit. after 2 years, that is if you are lucky to use your amp for 2 years because some didn't, devialet will introduce an "upgrade program" and asks existing devialet owners whether they want to upgrade which costs 50% of what they initially paid for. funny right? would you pay for another 50% of your initial costs to get your old devialet refreshed to be on par with the current ones. well, why 50%? does the actual upgrade cost, material and labor-wise really cost that much? more on that later...
devialet wants to control the pre-owned market. so you bought a devialet and decided not to upgrade? you will be left in the dark, new firmwares may not support your obsolete set, no support, not cool, you are alone and devialet will not love you. this is when things are no longer into the audiophile's point of view. this will now be a capitalist's selfish interests.
now, why upgrade cost's 50%? why not 30%? or maybe 20% as a means of reward for a loyal customer? because the moment the upgrade program is launched, your devialet immediately lost it's value by more than 50% if you want to sell it.. no matter how old it is. that is the devaluation rate set by devialet. why? because the new current product will be priced close to how much you bought your obsolete set when it was still the current. so they want to make money on new sets sold, and the obsolete sets upgraded.. otherwise, do you want to sell your set at a giveaway price?
simply outrageous.
For a guy who seems to be upset with capitalist selfish interest, you are very mightily brandishing the sword of market choice that it has provided you. I would say it's pretty standard for audio equipment to only command 50% give or take on the used market. It's also pretty standard for a company to release new models periodically. Why should it be so deplorable that a business seeks to profit? I also don't think you lost 50% of the value as a result of the new model release. In fact, I would say a very significant portion of that loss occurred the moment you walked out of the shop with that guy under your arm and a big smile on your face
Just sayin'